MKAI Inclusive AI Forum October 2021: How will we use Artificial Intelligence in 20 years?
Fireside Chat 1 features Andy Riemer, Helen Gould and Tannya Jajal
In this fireside chat, we seek to answer:
- How will Artificial Intelligence be like in 2041?
- How will developing AI technologies affect our lives, work and communities?
Listen to the valuable insights shared by Andy, Helen and Tannya.
Fireside Chat 2 features S.B. Divya and David Wood
In this fireside chat, we seek to answer:
- How will Artificial Intelligence be like in 2041?
- What kind of world are we building for the future?
- What new AI technologies are on the horizon in this period that will influence our lives, work and communities
Listen to the valuable insights shared by Divya and David.
Fireside Chat 3 features all of our estemmed Speakers, S.B. Divya, Helen Gould, Tannya Jajal, Andy Riemer and David Wood.
Chat Transcript
16:52:45 From SB Divya (she/any) to Everyone:
Hi folks! Video camera is being weird. Going to restart zoom and return.
16:56:09 From Umut Berk to Everyone:
where the record will share?
16:56:44 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Ich weiss das ich nichts weiss!
16:57:01 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
(I know that I don’t know anything)
16:57:32 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Hi Umut, in about 24 hours it will be available on our website www.mkai.org
16:58:00 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
That is incredible Markus, one of the few words/frases I know in German
16:58:03 From Subarna Poudel(760434) to Everyone:
Hello Sir Glad to be here
16:58:14 From Umut Berk to Everyone:
Thanks a lot
16:58:24 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
You are welcome!
16:59:12 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
Welcome everyone. Great to be here
16:59:48 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
Hello all from Toronto
17:00:01 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Hi everyone, before Richard points out that there’s a LinkedIn page for everyone to connect, please ping me an invite to: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkrebsz/ Also, please follow www.Human-Ai.Institute Many thanks and enjoy today’s MKAI session!
17:00:09 From Subarna Poudel(760434) to Richard Foster-Fletcher(Direct Message):
Hello sir Really appreciate this meeting
17:00:55 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Hi Family MKAI 🙂
17:01:22 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
Hello Gerry
17:01:24 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Hello brother Gerry 🙂
17:01:49 From Johan Steyn to Everyone:
Hello all, so glad to be here 🙂
17:02:17 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Hi Jaisal and Karen 😍
17:03:03 From Helen Robertson eCom Scotland to Everyone:
Good evening everybody Helen Robertson from eCom Scotland Digital Learning Experts https://www.ecomscotland.com/ feel free to say hello linkedin.com/in/helen-robertson-65550411
17:03:17 From Archie Dobiss to Everyone:
Can you please let me know if recording of this forum will be available afterwards?
17:03:35 From David Noone – Odigo to Everyone:
HI everyone, first time here, looking forward to a great session this evening.
17:03:36 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
Yes Archie it will be within 24 hours
17:03:43 From Archie Dobiss to Everyone:
thank you!
17:03:44 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Oh dear – the world as it is! Where to start…
17:04:27 From Johan Steyn to Everyone:
David Wood – amazing thinker and author! Keen to listen in today.
17:04:29 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Welcome David Noone!
17:04:37 From Walter Robinson to Everyone:
Thanks for this event. I am doing some personal research in AI in healthcare, notable biopharma, and consequent emerging regulatory frameworks around the work in OECD and other countries. If people have suggestions of info sources, govt URLs, or key countries to investigate — please poke me on LinkedIn as opposed to using this chat. Thank you in advance if you can help, and if not, be well nonetheless.
17:04:50 From Mike Williams to Everyone:
Hello from Blue World Evolution! We promote corporate social responsibility, innovation, & technology for the greater good. Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/blue-world-evolution
17:05:19 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Happy to connect if we aren’t yet https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrycopitch/
17:05:41 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-human-ai-institute/
17:05:57 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Let’s break this record then!!!
17:05:59 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Hello everyone. Pleased to join from Canada and shout out to Alex, Karen Beraldo,
17:06:22 From Luis Eduardo Pino V to Everyone:
hello from the AI medicine www.aipocrates.org
17:06:27 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Hi Olu! It is sooooo nice to have you here!
17:06:31 From Tango Tew to Everyone:
Hello Everyone, It’s Tango, happy to join in US.
17:06:52 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Hi all, looking forward to another good succession. Always happy to connect https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-boocock-00b071196/
17:07:06 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Excited to be here! Will exit in 30 minutes to prep for the event too!
17:07:37 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
The world is already a SOOOOOOO much better place with MKAI! Which stands also for “magic knowledge in artificial intelligence” in case you wondered…
17:08:43 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Happy to be here 🌻 Thanks for sharing the event S. B. Divya!
17:08:45 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
MKAI World! (watch out Disney)
17:08:56 From Teri Kelly to Everyone:
Hello from Austin – welcome to connect with anyone working in AI startup or doing other innovation work: https://www.linkedin.com/in/teri-kelly-416671/
17:10:24 From Aleksandra Hadzic to Everyone:
We’re looking forward to meeting all of you! Feel free to comment on this post and connect with diverse and beautiful minds that are here today: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
17:12:18 From GIna Dragulin to Richard Foster-Fletcher(Direct Message):
Great to be here! Exciting discussion I am sure, but also entertaining speakers: )
17:13:10 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Such a privilege to have you talk to us Helen!!!
17:14:01 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Absolutely, fantastic career Helen!Congratulations!
17:14:13 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Amazing background, Helen!
17:14:35 From Deborah Power to Everyone:
Amazing background story!
17:14:53 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Honoured being able to listen to all of you!
17:15:05 From Yolanda Frazier to Everyone:
I love your story Helen!!
17:15:18 From Luis Eduardo Pino V to Everyone:
If you are interested in AI Healthcare www.maia.health we are in Colombia (latam) and USA (https://www.iaccelerator.com/portfolio) at Austin, TX. Nice to be here.
17:15:30 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
Fantastic story Helen!!
17:15:53 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Boston !!! I love Boston. Went to law school there. 🙂
17:15:53 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
non-linear paths are SOOOOOO much more fun. Think rollercoaster!
17:16:02 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Agree Markus.
17:16:04 From karen rea to Everyone:
I have a few things to do physically, so will disappear from the picture, but I am listening!
17:16:06 From Enzo Ferrari to Everyone:
Hi everyone! it’s a great pleasure for me to be here again
17:16:08 From Enzo Ferrari to Everyone:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/enzo-ferrari/
17:17:16 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
We’re looking forward to meeting all of you! Feel free to comment on this post and connect with diverse and beautiful minds that are here today: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
17:17:31 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
I’m on satellite here near Santa Fe, ergo no video. I post on www.diginomica.com/author/neil-raden
17:17:57 From Peter Scott to Everyone:
Hello again Tannya! We were just on a panel at Wonderland AI a couple of hours ago.
17:17:59 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
You’ve deffo got a panel of experts of the Ai future today, Richard!
17:18:30 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Rockstar Jaisal!
17:18:56 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Wonderful introduction, nice to see you here @Tannya!
17:19:05 From Richard Foster-Fletcher to Everyone:
Connect with your peer https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
17:19:39 From Fred to Everyone:
Hello from Belgium!
17:19:40 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Yaaay Jaisal!!!!!
17:20:00 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
“Busy city centre” are so yesteryear
17:20:18 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Won’t be busy city centres in 2041 – potentially!
17:20:29 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
We will all soon be in the busy “metaverse” centre maybe
17:20:38 From ADEDEJI to Everyone:
Hello from Nigeria
17:20:56 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
Heya @Peter Scott! How cool!
17:21:09 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Great Panel. Thanks MKAI for the putting this together. Different perspectives for creative entrepreneurs like me.
17:21:26 From Sonal G. to Everyone:
Hi! I would love to collaborate on projects based on CV : https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonalganvir/
17:21:28 From jitendra to Everyone:
Helen do you think we will see Robot god by 2041 🙂
17:21:57 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Can’t wait having my own ride-on drone in the Garage-helipad!
17:22:13 From Tango Tew to Everyone:
It’s Giggly wooow, it’s like a scifi
17:22:26 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Great to see you Delphine
17:23:18 From Yolanda Frazier to Everyone:
Helen wonderful description of our coming transportation system!! – Yolanda
17:23:21 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I love the sound of the woods / forest / nature but City sound can be cool too
17:23:24 From Edel Sanchez to Everyone:
I have a doubt. What kind of disavantages and vantages can old people get after 20 years?
17:24:35 From Brent Zuber – Calgary, AB to Everyone:
I understand for ‘land-based’ vehicle travel, with no human drivers, a ‘strange’ change will be the disappearance of all traffic lights
17:25:08 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Hello everyone – A pleasure to be back here once again. A great conversation. Connect with everyone here – through this post – https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg/
17:25:11 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Hey Delphine…..wonderful to have you with us!
17:25:12 From Sonal G. to Everyone:
Hehe! Just avoid overfitting to eliminate Terminator kind of scenario 😛
17:25:34 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
I designed communications software for the future Smart Cites traffic management system. A paradigm shift. Can talk about that if anyone is interested. robin.rowe@heroicrobots.com
17:25:44 From karen rea to Everyone:
Can anyone chat about where you see the technical advances helping within the legal/Court process….Robot Judges? Robot Lawyers? Automated Judgements? We already have e-bundles for trials in many areas, but I am wondering about smart contracts and Bitcoin, if they are being used already, whether they can be used in low-value litigation in the lower courts (the Peoples’ Courts if you like) and how these could make a difference?
17:25:44 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Indeed Go MKAI! Watch out Disney! Excited to hear Helen’s perspective and how this impact creative industry. Looking forward to exciting times….
17:26:09 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Hi Delphine, another Ai rock star and future leader! 🚀
17:26:39 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
10 billion people living in Utopia?
17:26:47 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
#DigitalEnslavementRus by Mark Zucky?
17:27:41 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
Every new technology that bursts on the scene has disastrous effects on human rights.
17:27:49 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I’ve got a license. I’ve got not car (never had one). I would get one as soon as I can rely on the autonomous system and I could drive it asleep.
17:27:52 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
Karen, I’m using OpenAI to write complex documents. In the near future legal briefs will be written by AI.
17:28:09 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
This is so fascinating to hear…. Helen…. Hmmmm.
17:28:12 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Robin agree. and soon
17:28:59 From Pamela Kluth to Everyone:
great example for seniors!
17:29:06 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
How about the role of AI in general to minimize the gap between poor and rich population ? Richard talked about the first trillionares. Would poverty be gone by that time . ????or this gap would deepen more
17:29:07 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin How interesting, thank you for that. Am I linked to you on Linked In? If not, let’s get connected, as I would want to know more!
17:29:18 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Nice to be here, but must leave unfortunately. My LI contact is https://www.linkedin.com/in/oluneyeoluwole/
17:29:26 From Peter Scott to Everyone:
If we bring this to today’s biggest issues, what will the global supply chain problems and transportation labor shortages do to the development and adoption of AI and robotics in manufacturing and transportation?
17:29:26 From Oluneye Osinowo to Everyone:
Have a great one.
17:30:12 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
Karen, hit me at https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinrowe/ on LinkedIn. I have 21k+ connections.
17:30:21 From Israel to Everyone:
How can we get the recording of this call?
17:30:25 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
We’re looking forward to meeting all of you! Feel free to comment on this post and connect with diverse and beautiful minds that are here today: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
17:30:35 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Mohammad, great suggestion, however, this is only happen if there’s a “benefit” or, dare I say, “profit” is in it for Big Tech. If they cannot make money on the back of this, they likely won’t bother closing the gaps between poor and rich, sadly.
17:30:51 From Fred to Everyone:
I am reading the 2041 book. It’s a great great book. The idea of doing a scientific fiction book was amazing! It’s very well written. I love it!
17:31:09 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Hi Israel recordings will be available in our website within 24 hours: www.mkai.org
17:31:44 From Deborah Power to Everyone:
I am always thinking of the automotive benefits to make my life easier in my golden years🙃 hopefully this will offset the cost of long term healthcare costs overall.
17:31:53 From PN J to Everyone:
Re poverty and trillionaires: It may be necesseray to review the nature and role of money itself.
17:31:53 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin….cool!
17:31:55 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
The nice thing about “science fiction” books is you can be fictional (and there’s a good chance it may even become reality in the future)
17:32:41 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
How can AI possibly close the digital divide when the benefits attributed to it (eg time to be creative) does not reflect the reality of a few billion people currently focussed on putting food on the table every day?
17:32:42 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Great question and thought Richard. Very interesting.
17:33:11 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
If anyone is interesting in connecting with an IP lawyer based in India, and an AI Enthusiast, happy to connect here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/vibhav-mithal-9199b416/
17:34:06 From Teri Kelly to Everyone:
I am concerned about how exactly we are going to overcome (through AI or other means) the egocentricity and greed that wreaks havoc on much of society today
17:34:31 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Coming back to this conversation, if smart technologies give us context about the person and how we met them – will this mean that there will be a real change in interactions with clients? Will knowing this information become the norm and will that itself change the expectations in the work place as well. Looking at it from the perspective of a service industry.
17:34:46 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
Tannya, with greater convenience comes greater use. We all use our phones more, not less, as a consequence of having iPhones. No time is “saved” in the aggregate.
17:34:48 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I love my jobs
17:35:00 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
I loved my old job and love my current jobs
17:35:06 From caryn lusinchi to Everyone:
With new novel technology everyday life conveniences, ease of use and promises, the average consumer doesn’t understand or cogizant about huge tradeoffs they are making re: surrendering personal data privacy and human rights when a platform influences, shapes and profits from your identity.
17:35:10 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Not sure if my jobs love me though 🤓
17:35:49 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
This period is called the ‘Great Resignation’. The term was coined in May this year, I think.
17:35:51 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin. Done it, and btw, I LOVE Beverley Hills!
17:35:53 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I also like to think that I sack myself every night – and re-employ myself every morning, if I want to
17:35:54 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
My job owes me such a lot, they pay me off monthly
17:36:03 From PN J to Everyone:
It would be good to detach the concepts of work/jobs and the need for income/resources.
17:36:05 From Sonal G. to Everyone:
It would be cool if AI helps us to live a healthy lifestyle like tracking and maintaing our mental and physical
17:36:24 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Vibhav I would call it “The Great Calibration”
17:36:34 From jitendra to Everyone:
Once AI in full power lots of things will be automated – what about low skilled people – how can we help them in 20 years time – like taxi/bus driver etc…
17:36:41 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
@Robin true in the case of iPhones, not necessarily in the case of other technologies. This is where the role of education comes into play: teaching “balance”
17:36:54 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
@sonal G. it depends at which stage it becomes invasive
17:36:57 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@PN J agree about the delinking
17:37:30 From karen rea to Everyone:
Vibhav I think the WEF called it The Great Reset….is that what you mean? Looking to the future…..
17:37:35 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
we already have lots of digital poverty
17:38:10 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
the pandemic highlighted that when 4 kids were trying to share one smartphone for remote learning
17:38:13 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Richard B we have and sadly this gap will widen further]
17:38:18 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
The universe right is accelerating with individuals equally to empower to support the inner world. The balance is more important than ever to help people with their sense of purpose as that will become more of a challenge for some people.
17:38:37 From Yolanda Frazier to Everyone:
Andy great point – sounds like One Economy to me!
17:38:56 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
Jitendra, it is all jobs, not just the low-skilled, being replaced by automation. I built the robotic studios at NBC-TV that replaced studio camera operators in 1990. A good camera operator is highly skilled. AI is the end of work as we know it.
17:39:18 From PN J to Everyone:
Arcologies?
17:39:45 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Robin agree. I see tons of Robotics Process Automation (RPA) in banks / financial institutions.
17:39:49 From Sonal G. to Everyone:
@Hentie yea.. It should not have 100% control of our lives.. thinking more kind of integrated system.
17:40:04 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
@Markus and @Karen – Thanks. You both raise good points. This period in Covid has been referred to as Great Resignation in the context of jobs. Yet, when we think of AI and 20 years from now – the Great Reset (thinking afresh) and Great Calibration (looking at Human – Machine collaboration) are good terms.
17:40:23 From jitendra to Everyone:
Yes Robin – i can see that coming very soon and very fast – I heard that google is making AI god 🙁
17:41:03 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Vibhav “Coming back to this conversation, if smart technologies give us context about the person and how we met them – will this mean that there will be a real change in interactions with clients? Will knowing this information become the norm and will that itself change the expectations in the work place as well. Looking at it from the perspective of a service industry.” – I think this means that any F2F interaction with clients will be only for the fought hard cases that go to court; in other areas, it will become fully automated and that is where HUGE care has to be taken about the data behind the algos. That worries me and we are complete novices at the coalface of the industry where we have to avoid biases, resultant harm, corruption and abuse.
17:41:43 From PN J to Everyone:
Disruption happens when human planning shows lack of foresight about changes that are actually predictable.
17:42:02 From Luiz Fernando Contatori Romano Meneses Botelho to Everyone:
@ratna morjaria – agree with you – actually have been thinking about that a lot, lately (empowerment x inner world actualization) – https://www.instagram.com/p/CVPEJrGAqFP/
17:42:16 From Teri Kelly to Everyone:
+1 for Life long Education!
17:42:20 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
We’re looking forward to meeting all of you! Feel free to comment on this post and connect with diverse and beautiful minds that are here today: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
17:42:26 From Sandip to Everyone:
Will Technology and AI increase inequality in the world ? If the benefits of AI available to few countries or few communities.
17:42:28 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I also see this “Build Back Better” theme showing up everywhere. We seem to forget you can only “build back” once everything has been destroyed. Maybe that’s the strategy, not sure?
17:42:42 From PN J to Everyone:
Retire?
17:42:44 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
@Karen – Thanks ! Yes. Agree. That is an area that we need to think on a bit more.
17:43:11 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
And just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s “better” necessarily: if it’s not broke, don’t fix it etc.
17:43:37 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@PN J never!
17:43:39 From karen rea to Everyone:
2Richard Boocock….I LOVE that phrase “digital poverty”. It is SO on-point and describes in 2 simple words the dangers we face as a species from blind automation.
17:43:47 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Tannya, what improved tech are you suggesting is being used less? Video games? TV? Autonomous vacuum sweepers? Pocket calculators have gone away not because we’ve liberated ourselves from them, but because we have Excel, which we use more.
17:43:50 From karen rea to Everyone:
I meant @ not 2!!!
17:44:22 From Luiz Fernando Contatori Romano Meneses Botelho to Everyone:
@ratna morjaria that thinking helped me to come up with a “deep-dive” checklist: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVRDpX2vI0G/
17:44:56 From jitendra to Everyone:
Musk was saying that life will be very boring once AI start take over – human doesn’t want to be in real world they wants to be inside game simulation – very scary
17:45:13 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Can anyone from the USA ever envisage a US administration approving a universal basic income?
17:45:24 From Sonal G. to Everyone:
Can we talk about if it would be possible to control climate using AI? Things which humans so conveniently avoid 😛
17:45:41 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Re. “digital poverty”, think how many folk are excluded from events like this one because they have no power, no Wifi, no connectivity, no laptop or smartphone and no money. There is a grave danger that all of this virtual working will increase digital discrimination, digital poverty and digital exclusion.
17:45:53 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin……errrr…..I need to learn about why Excel replaces calculators! Help! Never used Excel, even though I am often nagged to do so! You can see I need a fast-forward into The New World!
17:45:59 From Richard Foster-Fletcher to Everyone:
We’re with SB Divya and David Wood in a few minutes to expand this conversation and our minds
17:45:59 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Good point that we can learn from the current retired generation. However, we are never again going to be in a world that funds retirement in the way this generation enjoys – whether it’s state pensions or final salary pensions or stock market booms pre-dotcom
17:46:26 From caryn lusinchi to Everyone:
@karenrea- 100% agreement. the ai supply chain is very complex; tech companies need to do a much better job exercising due diligence and ensuring diversity representation in data collection, curation and annotation (work typically outsourced to 3rd parties and taken at face value) that feeds ML, with algo outcomes that impact millions.
17:46:35 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Awesome
17:47:13 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Helen, that we need to intensify agriculture, a major cause of climate change, seems a false path when we already grow 8x as much food as people can eat. We live in a system that throws away surplus food so that people will be forced to work in order to eat.
17:47:31 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
@Luis Totally and the need is already great. As Helen said we need the “right” skilled people who can support and manage this…. managing this change from a human perspective is imperative otherwise we could have negative impacts also.
17:47:41 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
In times where we have supply chain issues (including inability to getting tech / laptops as well as gas / electricity crisis, we are embedding greater reliance on tech / tech infrastructure and will be less flexible if the infrastructure fails!
17:47:59 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
100% Andy!
17:48:24 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
People will leave firms (or not join) if the corps’ strategies don’t align with what the employees want
17:48:43 From karen rea to Everyone:
@caryn lusinch….YES! Thank you. The rush to the next 20 to 40 years’ predications MUST not forget ethical aspects to all the ground covered in this space (btw, I hate the word “space”….”arena” is better, no?!).
17:49:10 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
The sooner humanity realises we’re all passengers on Spaceship Earth and consider global solutions the better?
17:49:49 From Kishen Seyjagat 2 to Everyone:
I agree that one thing that has happened is that alot of persons are actually considering what they want to do and they do try to align themselves with companies that offer that job wise
17:50:34 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
@Caryn Lusinchi – Great point. We need due diligence on data and a better infrastructure how things work – when you start building AI.
17:50:46 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Sadly I think the ultimate privileged in our societies are in an advanced stage of leaving spaceship earth for new worlds…..
17:50:46 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Agree Gerry. Although it feels like “globalisation” is so yesteryear given that we have global tech wars / cyber wars and trade wars. And until we cannot solve problems on our mothership, it seems a bit hypocritical wanting to export those into interstellar space.
17:50:52 From Luiz Fernando Contatori Romano Meneses Botelho to Everyone:
@ratna morjaria – definitely! I guess the “right skilled” people are an ongoing process and all can evolve with exchanges, interactions and learning/sharing Knowledge and experiences/shortcuts / lessons learned. Always want to leave that window open for the unforeseen, surprising and intuitive “unknown” of today, possibly “default” of tomorrow: https://youtu.be/QHIDMygkcXQ
17:51:07 From PN J to Everyone:
A lot of shiny ‘cool tech’ doesn’t actually meet education/learning requirements very well. Partly because it requires effort to learn how to use them well.
17:51:22 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
@Andy Riemer great point now we need organizations to invest in what they usually are slow to do. Schools will not be able to operate the way they have and that disruption is on the way.
17:51:34 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Richard B yes feels a bit like parasites fleeing the host body…
17:52:19 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
How can we get the Copy of the book AI in 2041?
17:52:24 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
I have always thought of libraries as hearts of the community so it is nice to see them being revitalized
17:53:07 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Thanks for your work and insights everyone! Great discussion and let’s keep trying to make the world better.
17:53:10 From Caesar Keluro to Everyone:
Hi Everyone, happy to work with you on education projects for West Africa, https://www.linkedin.com/in/caesarkeluro/, Caesar@africanpensiontech.com
17:53:14 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
36% or world population live un authoritarian rule, 41% under “flawed” democracies (including USA) only 8.4% under true democracy. Looking to government for direction will be a problem.
17:53:21 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Ana agree
17:53:23 From karen rea to Everyone:
I sometimes wonder, everybody, are there enough of us raising these issues? I worry about the people i meet daily who have NO IDEA about the issues, let alone the dangers, of automation/AI/tech-in-your-job.
17:53:25 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
This AI industry should have heavy and serious regulations to control
17:53:36 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@neil agree
17:54:01 From Jess Chen to Everyone:
I think it is about the influences of the young people and creating the ecosystem for them to enter the place of work, so how we are supporting teachers and parents about the changing world of work, about tech and thr language with which we talk about work..
17:54:50 From Muhammad Arslan to Everyone:
Can I share my thoughts
17:55:16 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Vibhav Rockstar!
17:55:47 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I got looooooooads of questions though!
17:55:53 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Very insightful conversation and amazing moderation from Jaisal!
17:56:20 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Hi Odilia…..just spotted you…..great to see you
17:56:22 From Renato to Everyone:
in order to regulate AI what do everyone think about the Sandbox model in the Open Banking?
17:56:50 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Do we really believe that the vast majority of workers will start to refuse jobs at organisations like McDonalds, Amazon, Facebook, or wherever you think is unethical? I don’t think most people will ever feel that they have enough power to refuse jobs, and I do think that we are still a very long way from automating the less pleasant jobs – hotel or hospital cleaning, restaurant chain serving, …
17:57:04 From Renato to Everyone:
Because not every aspect of an algorithm or model can be predicted
17:57:17 From Fred to Everyone:
U have a WhatsApp?
17:57:27 From Richard Foster-Fletcher to Everyone:
Join us on WhatsApp https://chat.whatsapp.com/Fn9eLrS3tdHGsS4CSd9VKx
17:57:31 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Renato – Sandboxes are important to play out innovative tech without the heavy burden of regs Challenge is moving from a sandboxed MVP into a fully-fledged / fully regulated BAU environment
17:57:45 From Richard Foster-Fletcher to Everyone:
MKAI WhatsApp https://chat.whatsapp.com/Fn9eLrS3tdHGsS4CSd9VKx
17:57:59 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Also, think the FCA in the UK is still learning wrt. Digi sandboxes, FINMA seems quite developed / advanced
17:58:03 From karen rea to Everyone:
Probably too much detail, but….I am going to have to cook now (spaghetti bolognaise) so will disappear again, but will be listening as I burn the supper! Btw, there are many Karens!
17:58:04 From Renato to Everyone:
Great point Markus!
17:58:20 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
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17:58:26 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Wonderful resume of MKAI activities @Vibhav!
17:59:00 From Renato to Everyone:
a fully regulation would be not good for Innovation
17:59:10 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
I was driving behind a car on Saturday called Carens – branding would definitely be improved by AI right now!!
17:59:26 From Fred to Everyone:
A regulation is needed and needed soon.
17:59:29 From David Wood to Everyone:
Towards the 100 millionth
17:59:34 From Renato to Everyone:
it would slow the entire process, and make it less available for all
18:00:05 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
Touche, david
18:00:17 From Renato to Everyone:
a Sandbox model is working well for Open Banking
18:00:23 From Yolanda Frazier to Everyone:
Awesome presentation from Helen & Tanya! And great host Richard! Don’t let the attendance numbers get you down, I have another Zoom I have to be in, but came to support and hear my colleague Helen! Awesome dialogue today ~ I’m definitely here for it!
God Bless, Yolanda Frazier
18:00:41 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Amazing @David Wood!!
18:01:07 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Thanks @Odilia. We have a couple of focused groups on (a) AI in Green Economy, Biodiversity, GIS, Sustaintability; (b) AI and Law; (c) AI and Philosophy; and (d) AI and Healthcare
18:02:00 From Renato to Everyone:
I don’t have the WhatsApp of the AI and Law group
18:02:46 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Sci-Fi is a really important indicator of the future. If it’s not credible as literature, it’s unlikely to fly in the real world!
18:02:46 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
That’s very impressive @Divya!
18:02:54 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Awesome question lol
18:03:09 From Alexandra to Everyone:
Ditto!
18:03:20 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
I used to allocate my long haul flights to thinking – never connect to in-flight wifi!!
18:03:45 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Spending 8 hours a day in the shower is good for the skin, but plays hell with your hair 😉
18:03:47 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Note to self…..install a shower in the car 🙂
18:03:50 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Houston to Jeddah was a wonderful flight, 15 hours of uninterrupted thinking time
18:04:02 From PN J to Everyone:
Sometimes it can feel as though your have to give yourself permission to spend time on thinking.
18:04:08 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I am a recent fan of being “loudly silent”
18:04:22 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Works at work meetings as well as in more personal situations
18:04:44 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
The storytellers have anticipated what is coming, they have the pulse of the emotional space of humanity.
18:04:46 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Love that App
18:04:49 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Avoid smart watches at all costs 😅
18:04:51 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Can warmly recommend it
18:05:30 From David Noone – Odigo to Everyone:
I am a big fan of following your own rhythm. I can do creative work in the morning, analytical in the afternoon. If it try to switch it is useless 😀
18:05:35 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
www.freedom.to
18:06:16 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Mohammad, when you say AI should be heavily regulated, are we considering that the U.S. Senate majority and minority leaders are sponsored by the fossil fuels and casino industries plus Google. What good “heavy regulation” do we expect to get from politicians beholden to such donors?
18:06:48 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
Fully agree with Divya + David. A lot of creativity happens in unconscious thought, but is actively sought in conscious effort – reading, etc
18:07:34 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Nature is fantastic inspiration
18:07:45 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Walking meditations can warmly recommend
18:08:05 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Or, flying my autonomous drone 😉
18:08:45 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
Nice Divya and David – Own head or own heart ? everything will come from nothingness to absorb what we have absorbed externally and connect internally for true innovation 😊
18:10:22 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Richard, Boeing already has flying taxi prototypes flying. Doesn’t require so much imagination what it will look like. Expect The Fifth Element, minus flying taxi driver Bruce Willis.
18:10:35 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
A simple hoverboard would do for me
18:10:37 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
😉
18:10:46 From + Aziz to Everyone:
I believe in the power of stories too 🙂
18:10:49 From Renato to Everyone:
a balanced approach is to have kind of a regulation framework to be followed and when dealing with sensitive data, a more heavy regulated approach. Not a unique approach for all cases.
18:11:04 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Like the one from Marty McFly right Markus? 😉
18:11:30 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
Stories move us from observers to active participants.
18:11:45 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
A foggy day at LHR has had autonomous flights for many years (everything auto apart from the taxiing)
18:13:15 From PN J to Everyone:
@Richard Boocock, Trident aircraft had automatic landing guidance in fog back in the 1970s.
18:13:56 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Indeed they did – never liked the Tridents – too noisy!
18:14:18 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
Not sure about quantum computers driving robots. QC’s are not standalone devices, they require conventional computers for orchestration.
18:16:09 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone:
If medicine improved dramatically then what happens to the world population and all the effects on the planet that will entail?
18:16:25 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
I remember the Three Degrees – don’t remember him!
18:16:35 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
well the ai didnt work so effeciant with the convid19!
18:17:45 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
I remember when people with spare computing capacity, still spent it on folding for the greater good, than trying to mine cryptocurrency
18:18:41 From Andy Riemer (he, him) to Everyone:
A company doing nuclear fusion: https://www.cfs.energy/
18:18:41 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@David, U.S. life expectancy is decreasing and most people are obese. That trend will need to be reversed first. Requires changing the food system to be healthy and eliminating pollution. Expecting AI-invented drugs to fix toxic nutrition and environmental poisoning sounds very ambitious.
18:19:04 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
so the ai will come out the new energy solution and save us?
18:19:15 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
Change happens slowly and then very fast.
18:19:36 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Connect with everyone here through this post – https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg/
18:19:46 From Renato to Everyone:
nuclear energy will have a comeback
18:19:54 From + Aziz to Everyone:
I’m curious about your thoughts on how AI will be regulated to account for discrimination/inequality. Lots of conversation around XAI/ResponsibleAI/EthicalAI… industries with heavy regulation are having to embrace this, do you think there will be much adoption? In other industries, internationally?
18:20:34 From karen rea to Everyone:
David. Fantastic, thank you.
18:20:37 From Renato to Everyone:
there are new tech available for cleaner and safer versions
18:22:42 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
@David Wood thank you! Change will always be slow at first, humans need time to adapt and overcome their biases- no different past generations.
18:23:40 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Can’t wait having a mini-FB implanted into my small head…
18:23:56 From karen rea to Everyone:
Drones…Markus!!!!!!!!!!
18:24:58 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Renato, it’s over for nuclear power. Solar and wind are already cheaper than fossil fuels and atomic power, which are only seem economic because they receive massive government subsidies. Nuclear and coal power plants are closing down from going bankrupt. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nuclear-winter-for-britain-as-power-plants-close-gb8c5dx07
18:25:27 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
Our exascale computer at Los Alamos will require 20-30MW
18:25:37 From + Aziz to Everyone:
Tell em SB Divya!
18:25:58 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Best hope the wind keeps blowing and the sun keeps shining if there are no despatchable power systems
18:26:04 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Hallelujah – having seen the institutionalised misconduct of the tax system in the UK, that can only be a good thing (assuming the tax code done is ethically and logically)!
18:26:37 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin…tonight’s news is that India, Japan and Australia are fighting to close the coal mines and resisting fossil fuel reduction. Am very depressed by this. Let’s see if CAP will make a difference….
18:26:53 From Oliver Hoffmann to Everyone:
https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E12AQHsCT2W0cFmSw/article-inline_image-shrink_1000_1488/0/1553195244884?e=1640217600&v=beta&t=8KsI6T_CErCUsqZG45EQZlhDbIH9ZObeNCzRvqBZxzU
18:27:03 From PN J to Everyone:
I was struck while reading Machinehood about how the scenario portrays augmentation of existing capabilities but much less enhancement of collective human /wisdom/. This is a dimension that’s important to explore when making policy about new technologies.
18:27:04 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Thanks for rising these important points @Dyvia!
18:27:10 From karen rea to Everyone:
Britain can try but we are a small island on this planet…
18:27:36 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Translation of a German proverb: “From the darkness came a voice that said, smile and be happy – it could be worse. So I smiled and was happy – and it came worse.”
18:27:39 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Diuya, to pay taxes is an old idea based on a hard money system based on metals. Dollars are created by banks at the press of a button. The government can redistribute wealth without taxes. AI could do it automatically. No more taxes at all.
18:27:45 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
In terms of AI Ethics, I’m mystified why so much material is coming from th EU, given the calamitous, violent and genocidal 20th century in Europe.
18:28:03 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Completely agree with David
18:28:24 From Walter Robinson to Everyone:
Can’t really here Jaisal?
18:28:25 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
CAn’t hear you Jaisal 🙁
18:28:34 From + Aziz to Everyone:
It has to come from somewhere… it’s not like US history is any better than Europe’s.
18:28:35 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
One of the reasons govts want to do away with any and all cash and make everything digital: digital citizens can be taxed automatically and on a transaction-by-transaction basis.
18:28:39 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Aaah! That’s better 🙂
18:29:03 From Enkeleda Lulaj to Everyone:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/enkeleda-lulaj-1a8ba8b1/. Greetings from Kosovo. Prof.Enkeleda, Great to be here.
18:29:33 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
We’re looking forward to meeting all of you! Feel free to comment on this post and connect with diverse and beautiful minds that are here today: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_mkai-inclusive-ai-forum-how-will-we-use-activity-6856982653187489793-B4sg
18:30:22 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Genocide is everywhere, sadly – I think that is a specious argument.
18:32:15 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
Mother nature shows that diversity is crucial
18:32:39 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
viruses too!!!
18:33:10 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@David, thanks for the shout out. On the topic of life expectancy, I in 10 deaths is due to suicide. Something I am supervising is using eye-tracking AI to detect depression,to make diagnosis an objective test, a measurable number, instead of relying on self-reporting. Already built in the lab, a self-test AR-inspired medical diagnosis headset.
18:33:20 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
you need species diversity, but also generic diversity in a single species, especially in food crops
18:33:25 From PN J to Everyone:
Designing whole ecosystems will become important. It would also be a valuable capability for new environments, sustainable living in space etc.
18:33:53 From Renato to Everyone:
@Robin, there are new tech come from China. And research in USA related to nuclear tech for energy. I will put some links here
18:35:02 From Michael McCarthy to Everyone:
Sorry my camera is not on. Really like the idea of story telling to reflect on the future. Besides the great books discussed already, what are the specific movies to think about all the possibilities for the future? I am looking for stories, not documentaries.
18:35:27 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Soylent Green had the right idea
18:35:42 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Alex seems to
18:35:42 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
#so
18:35:43 From Renato to Everyone:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/china-closing-in-on-thorium-nuclear-reactor
18:36:19 From Renato to Everyone:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/china-creates-new-thorium-reactor.html
18:36:19 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Nicola Tesla made some great discoveries wrt. energy generation. Would be great discovering what he knew…
18:36:26 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
@Markus or insect protein …
18:36:52 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Am vegetarian (now) but have had a selection of insects in the past. Some tasty and some dusty
18:36:56 From Renato to Everyone:
and there is the fusion technology, in research
18:37:22 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Hasn’t FB discovered that yet?
18:37:24 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
anyone want my seat to space?
18:37:28 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Colour me shocked
18:37:42 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
Insects have been used as food by many cultures.
18:37:44 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
I quite like it here tbh
18:37:56 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@David, most people in the world are vegetarian or nearly so. It is the rich who want to eat meat. We are not carnivores genetically Meat is inherently unhealthy to humans. Perfecting meet production is a false path. Plant-based is the way to go. My family operates the largest and oldest organic farm in Illinois. Has no animals. I’ve been a vegetarian most of my life.
18:38:02 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
@Ana so have humans …
18:38:08 From Michael McCarthy to Everyone:
@alex. Thanks. Soylent Green is classic (book and movie)
18:38:23 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
@Robin love all of that!
18:38:45 From SB Divya (she/any) to Everyone:
@Michael, “The Expanse” on Amazon is a fun and realistic show.
18:38:58 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Robin – I agree that there’s a huge future in improved plant-based food. I’d like to provide people with genuine choice
18:39:27 From SB Divya (she/any) to Everyone:
The movie “Her” was an interesting exploration of AI.
18:39:51 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
@SB will look that out!
18:39:51 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
“Her” is fantastic. Ex Machina and Annihilation are also good explorations
18:40:08 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
thanks Divya will look out
18:40:31 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
@Robin , what I meant is a global ethical systems to regulators the data privacy / AI apps rather than the USA senate . USA is not the whole world with due respect
18:40:41 From Michael McCarthy to Everyone:
Thanks @DB. Thanks @Tannya
18:41:16 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
The MKAI Community explored this very topic – in an MKAI Linked In LIve earlier today at 3 PM BST. This was a free flowing conversation to open up this topic. The recorded LinkedIn Live is here – https://www.linkedin.com/video/event/urn:li:ugcPost:6854142067845709824/ For those who want to listen to more on this topic.
18:43:35 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Very fascinating event – massive THANK YOU to all the speakers / panel tonight, as well as Jaisal and Richard for moderating, Vibhav for running the community and everyone else behind the scenes. As always, you all rock!🚀
18:43:58 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Am half-scared now of the future and half-excited of what lies ahead.
18:44:08 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
Thanks Markus so much for being a part of the event
18:44:25 From karen rea to Everyone:
@Robin: “Coming back to this conversation, if smart technologies give us context about the person and how we met them – will this mean that there will be a real change in interactions with clients? Will knowing this information become the norm and will that itself change the expectations in the work place as well. Looking at it from the perspective of a service industry.” This sounds so exciting.
18:44:27 From David Wood to Everyone:
For an excellent recent book on “existential thinking” see the recent book “The Precipice” by Toby Ord
18:44:51 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Thanks Markus!
18:45:03 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
Fantastic read, David. I recently explored it
18:45:04 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
Thank you, Jaisal – love learning from everyone. As I said at the beginning: “Ich weiss dass ich nichts weiss!”
18:45:10 From Walter Robinson to Everyone:
Great point by @DavidWood re negative emission tech that is coming. A lot of work is happening to de-carbonize classic fossil fuels. Just think of all the plastic and petroleum derivative we use/need in medicine, our daily lives and devices and even Teslas. 😉 Net Zero emissions is a very nebulous concept … still. Great contributions in this chat and fascinating rolling fireside chat format.
18:45:11 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Renato, there’s interesting research in many things. Unless the goal is produce better ways to make toxic nuclear waste or to produce more materials for weapons of mass destruction, there is no justification for such dangerous research. Inventing nuclear technology seems, in general, a war crime.
18:45:55 From Andy Riemer (he, him) to Everyone:
This is a great discussion on the future as well: https://omidyar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Portals-to-Beautiful-Futures-2021.pdf
18:45:55 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
This is fantastic!
18:46:19 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
Please feel free to connect with me https://www.linkedin.com/in/hentiestassen/
18:47:24 From David Wood to Everyone:
John McCarthy first defined the term “Artificial Intelligence” in 1955, in his early proposals for what would become the Summer 1956 conference in Dartmouth
18:47:46 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Thanks @David!
18:48:42 From PN J to Everyone:
A lot of important future technology will be about capturing large quantities of dilute substances – CO2 from atmosphere, microplastic from oceans, valuable minerals from water, recycled electronics, etc.
18:48:49 From David Wood to Everyone:
However Alan Turing set out the same ideas (without using that term) in brilliant papers in 1950 and 1951
18:49:07 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Idiocracy or the Minority Report – take your pick 🙂
18:49:07 From Renato to Everyone:
@Robin the new tech use almost no water, and is less toxic waste as well. For renewables beins adopted at scale need battery technology to enhance
18:49:47 From Kishen Seyjagat 2 to Everyone:
@Renato agreed
18:49:48 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
Question to all penalist: what would be the end of AI . In other words the peak
18:50:14 From Programify to Everyone:
Recreating human-level intelligence is a fallacy. In the first industrial revolution did they limit steam powered machines to that of one man?
18:50:56 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Karen, regarding changes in AR interaction. We’re building MCARE, an AR disaster simulation that will be used by doctors at hospitals worldwide to prepare for mass casualty situations. This is virtualizing an existing adult learning mass casualty management program taught by the UN WHO. WHO trainers will no longer need to travel to a hospital to run a training session.
18:50:59 From Renato to Everyone:
I don’t agree with your vision of avoiding research, USA, China does, the most advanced by design to avoid waste the better.
18:51:10 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Programify is correct. Almost as soon as we have HL (human level) AI, we will have ASI (artificial superintelligence)
18:51:12 From Richard Boocock to Everyone:
Thanks for another great session – I need to move on to another call.
18:51:50 From Tango Tew to Everyone:
thank you for a great presentation, will head out for work.
18:51:53 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
I’d like to highlight Women in MKAI. Every month, our initiative is growing, and we are empowering our women to fill the gender gap, not only in our community but also in the AI field. Looking forward to seeing all women there! Save the date! November the 18th at 4 pm BST
18:52:12 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
@programify the reason for talking about human-level intelligence is tat is the best model we have. In the industrial revolution there was actually much talk abut emulating existing models, e.g. 30mph as the top speed of a horse.
18:52:45 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
A spell checker in Zoom would be a start 😉
18:52:51 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Renato, it’s not a matter of avoiding research. It is a matter of professional ethics. Doctors take an oath to do no harm. Scientists could do the same.
18:52:51 From David Wood to Everyone:
I’ve cut many corners in my remarks in this session. For a longer, more careful review of the possibilities ahead please take a look at my recent book “Vital Foresight” https://transpolitica.org/projects/vital-foresight/
18:54:12 From Renato to Everyone:
@Robin, if the tech is safe the better, the nuclear is the best for Space for example
18:54:49 From Peter Scott to Everyone:
David’s comment points up a growing problem – that the amount we need to understand to have a useful handle on problems and opportunities of tech like AI is growing beyond what we can reasonably assimilate without making it our careers. We actually need AI brain augmentation to improve that.
18:55:31 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@Helen, we can imagine regulators are “guardians of the public good”? Mitch McConnel and Chuck Schumer are our guardians?
18:55:48 From Programify to Everyone:
@Helen Gould, on-going trust is only important for civilian applications. In military theatres, weapons systems will think too quickly for humans to consider the implications.
18:56:03 From PN J to Everyone:
AI systems are often black boxes. Trustworthiness is likely to come from observed performance rather than deep analysis of what’s inside the box. Much like the way that humans earn trust by their reputations in society.
18:56:56 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
We already have the machines’ dilemma – do we trust the internet? Overwhelmingly, people do, despite all the evidence against it. How does a machine distinguish between facts and fake news, when humans can’t reliably do this?
18:57:50 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
https://diginomica.com/ai-ethics-have-consequences-learning-problem-autonomous-weapons-systems
18:58:03 From Paul Levy to Everyone:
Our future with AI could also be reassuringly mediocre. AI could largely ttu4n out to be dull and crappy
18:58:09 From David Wood to Everyone:
The YouTube “Slaughterbots” is a must-see on this question – of lethal autonomous drone-sized weapons
18:58:11 From Walter Robinson to Everyone:
Thank you MKAI, speakers, and all on-line for a wide-ranging conversation … so intriguing. Be well.
18:58:46 From Mohammad’s iPhone to Everyone:
Thanks to MKAI team and all the participants
18:58:47 From Ana Montes to Everyone:
Thanks for the great contributions!!
18:59:06 From Deborah Power to Everyone:
Thank you MKAI and panellists – great takeaways from today session – thought provoking as usual. .will I actually sleep tonight with so much more to think about. 😵
18:59:12 From Renato to Everyone:
Thanks everyone! Nice webinar!
18:59:26 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone:
Yet another fascinating, insightful and wonderful MKAI event. Huge THANKS to everyone and everything that made this possible!!!
18:59:42 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
@walter – be well, John Spartan! Another great glimpse of the future!
18:59:50 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Paul – the examples of AlphaFold (DeepMind) and Halicin (AI-discovered new antibiotic) are indications that AI won’t be “dull and crappy”. Likewise the terrible effects of trollbots on our social media discourse
18:59:50 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone:
Thanks all and as always much food for thought. Sorry must go and have dinner in a few minutes… 😄
18:59:53 From PN J to Everyone:
Agile policymaking?
19:00:08 From David Wood to Everyone:
+1 for Agile policymaking!
19:00:09 From Smitkumar Bhatesara to Everyone:
i am grateful to hear such informative perspectives from all the speaker at my early stage in the field of AI, gave me a lot more dimensions to think😃, thank you so much.
19:00:29 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
+1 for Agile Policymaking! I’ll use that term in the future 😉
19:00:30 From Peter Scott to Everyone:
I think my main frustration is that we have groups like this one having important discussions that frankly should be taking place on an international level and yet are barely reaching the surface of national attention in a few countries.
19:00:57 From Tannya Jajal to Everyone:
Agreed, Peter. These need to be at the forefront. But it comes down to incentives, I suppose.. who’s incentivized to bring it fwd?
19:00:58 From Neil Raden to Everyone:
French cultural theorist Paul Virilio (1932-2018) ‘When you invent the ship, you invent the shipwreck’ t
19:01:12 From karen rea to Everyone:
Thank you for a terrific session. If anyone has any ideas about my question at the top of the session, please connect through MKAI and/or Linked In. Just type in my name. 🙂
19:01:14 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Peter – That’s why I’m considering bringing these very questions into the forefront of the London 1024 mayoral electoral campaign
19:01:29 From Alexandra to Everyone:
Thank you everyone! I need to go and read these amazing books now! 🙂
19:01:32 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
@David, NATO drones strike innocents a lot. Humans are terrible at making arbitrary life and death decisions even when there isn’t much time pressure. That AI would be an improvement is what makes it inevitable if we keep “perfecting” war. Whether the trigger is an 18-year-old soldier playing a video game thousands of miles away or is AI, it’s murder. If war is not banned, it is only a matter of time before everyone has AI autonomous weapons.
19:01:45 From Kristian Mackie to Everyone:
Thanks everyone, really interesting discussion!
19:01:49 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone:
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF YOU AND MKAI!
19:01:52 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Peter and others – see “Transhumanism 2024” https://transhumanist.uk/campaigns/
19:02:00 From Renato to Everyone:
@Neil I studied a little of Paul Virilio work.
19:02:02 From GIna Dragulin to Everyone:
Amazing session, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and wisdom
19:02:13 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone:
Karen, Alex, Odilia, Hazel are AWESOME
19:02:18 From Hentie Stassen to Everyone:
Thank you to all the panellists and Richard
19:02:24 From Ratna Morjaria to Everyone:
Thank you MKAI and all the amazing panel members to share and raise awareness 👌
19:02:25 From Mike Williams to Everyone:
Thank you for an interesting session!
19:02:29 From Peter Scott to Everyone:
Thank you all!
19:02:29 From Jess Chen to Everyone:
Thanks for the session!
19:02:32 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Robin Rowe – Yes, AI often will make better decisions than humans. But when an AI goes wrong, it can go catastrophically wrong
19:02:32 From karen rea to Everyone:
MKAI ROCKS!!!
19:02:38 From Robin Rowe to Everyone:
Thank you for including me. robin.rowe@heroicrobots.com
19:02:42 From Adina Tarry to Everyone:
another great session! than you to all panelists !!!!
19:02:45 From Andy Riemer (he, him) to Everyone:
Thanks so much everyone!
19:02:53 From SB Divya (she/any) to Everyone:
Thank you everyone!
19:03:08 From Smitkumar Bhatesara to Everyone:
thank you so much for the wonderful talks.
19:04:58 From delphine nyaboke to Everyone:
such incredible talks today 🤩….
am gonna drop off now. have lovely moments everyone 😊
19:05:19 From Renato to Everyone:
I have to go now! Bye everyone!
19:06:19 From David Wood to Everyone:
My definition of the positive is “Sustainable Superabundance” – https://transpolitica.org/projects/abundance-manifesto/
19:09:45 From Edel Sanchez to Everyone:
Thanks so much! Ihave to go. bye everybody
19:10:49 From PN J to Everyone:
National governments tend to prefer avoidance of change. Understandable because many changes provoke a cascade of consequences that are hard to manage and may be dangerously disruptive without management. Hence the urgent need to greatly improve the way governance happens.
19:13:16 From Smitkumar Bhatesara to Everyone:
Any suggestions for newbies in the field of AI?
19:14:33 From David Wood to Everyone:
@Smitkumar – A great general introduction to the state of AI is the very recent new book “Rule of the Robots” by Martin Ford. You can watch a conversation between Martin and me about that book on the London Futurists YouTube channel
19:14:34 From Giorgio Giuliani to Everyone:
Can you point Richard Suskind’s book?
19:15:45 From David Wood to Everyone:
“A World Without Work: Technology, Automation, and How We Should Respond” by Daniel Susskind – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51300408-a-world-without-work
19:15:59 From Giorgio Giuliani to Everyone:
Thanks David
19:16:00 From Smitkumar Bhatesara to Everyone:
thank you much @David wood.
19:16:07 From Aleksandra Hadzic to Everyone:
Books: – The Future of the Professions: How Technology Will Transform the Work of Human Experts Book by Daniel Susskind and Richard Susskind – A World Without Work: Technology, Automation, and How We Should Respond Book by Daniel Susskind
19:16:39 From Alex Monaghan to Everyone:
Thanks all – got to go and play music now!
19:18:16 From PN J to Everyone:
The forum session is quite lengthy to present to others without context. If it is valuable it might be necessary to put effort into summarising its content as an introduction.
19:19:21 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
Thanks for your kind words Charu, happy that you are enjoying MKAI events and values!
19:20:51 From David Wood to Everyone:
This recent FT article gives a worrying report on the US military falling behind that of China in AI capability: “US has already lost AI fight to China, says ex-Pentagon software chief” https://www.ft.com/content/f939db9a-40af-4bd1-b67d-10492535f8e0
19:23:12 From PN J to Everyone:
The police, when carrying out their function, have to have a good knowledge of the law applying to the situation with which they are dealing. The same should indeed apply to medical practitioners.
19:25:32 From PN J to Everyone:
AI is just 0 and 1s is that not like saying that humans are just a bunch of proteins? It is the information processing that matters in both cases.
19:28:30 From Luiz Fernando Contatori Romano Meneses Botelho to Everyone:
wonderblasting, but gotta cork out, sorry.
19:31:27 From Jaisal Surana to Everyone:
sorry need to drop off..great session today
19:31:30 From PN J to Everyone:
Perhaps AI will play an important role in personalised health management?
19:35:04 From David Wood to Everyone:
I’ve enjoyed being part of this super session, but I need to drop off now!
19:35:41 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Thank you so much David! You are brilliant!
19:35:42 From PN J to Everyone:
I agree that to make space for speculative thinking it is important for people to be not overburdened with needs closer to their own survival. This is unfortunately the state of people living in poverty all over the world.
19:37:17 From Charu to Everyone:
Extreme mechanistic Efficiency ~ more than categorization really.
19:38:46 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
CAMP
19:41:57 From PN J to Everyone:
I agree with Paul Levy about it being a mistake to describe automation generically as “AI”.
19:42:21 From helen gould to Everyone:
Thank you for inviting me to join in the discussion today! It is such a fascinating and vitally important topic for us all.
19:42:33 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Not sure if it was covered during the panel, but the naming of AI certainly has shifts that have gone along with some refreshed funding interests.
19:42:50 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Self hatred is not guaranteed 🙂
19:43:09 From Charu to Everyone:
Good points Paul! Essentially ~ you mentioned the word intelligence, both interns of human or AI. The vital Q then is does “intelligence” encompass all that humans are, can be or bring to our collective world
19:43:45 From karen rea to Everyone:
Great points, Paul, and highly relevant. Thank you.
19:45:26 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Blue glowing brains
19:45:29 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
helen you are amazing!!!
19:45:38 From PN J to Everyone:
Asimov’s Robot books talked about the concept of CFe – humans working harmoniously with artificial entities.
19:45:41 From Charu to Everyone:
Is there an intelligence to the other vital areas – heart, soul, consciousness that make us human. Encourage MKAI to design a session to discuss in current frameworks of AI bring any of these non-intellect energies into the mix! Other than brains
19:45:47 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
TBH I think this anti-robot rabble-rousing is more of a straw-man for both (very thin on the ground but loud in the inter-tubes) sides looking for enemies instead of getting on with extending the 50+ years of rich idea already oven-ready to extend now a days
19:46:02 From Paul Levy to Everyone:
Intelligence, in a human context, is an element in human “being”. The danger is the equate human “being” only with human intelligence.
19:46:11 From karen rea to Everyone:
I’m STILL cooking my spagbol!
19:46:34 From Richard Foster-Fletcher | www.mkai.org to Everyone:
Should be very tasty Karen
19:47:30 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
the ai will have beiong human intelligence.or who will set the limits to the ais intelligence?
19:48:57 From karen rea to Everyone:
Love you, Ana!
19:49:20 From Charu to Everyone:
Exactly Paul. We have acknowledged the “multiple intelligences” of human widely by now. How is currently designed and imagined AI (primarily ML/DL @ moment) allowing spaces for these “other” intelligences – esp. in decision-making.
19:49:35 From Aleksandra Hadzic to Everyone:
We love you Ana! Your wisdom always inspires us
19:49:47 From Karen Beraldo to Everyone:
Always!
19:50:33 From Charu to Everyone:
Most human decision making is not necessarily most efficient – we often operate out of the heart and overrule what our brain might tell us to do. These decisions have created great worlds that we are in today. How can we carry the good parts of this forward?
19:51:08 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Bread and circuses first in south america or on rome or in ??? if this is a time-trodden “problem” seeking a “modern” solution … IMHO 🙂
19:51:43 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Rich is not necessarily getting richer, but the poor keep staying poor — that’s the rub 🙂
19:51:45 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Thanks all
19:51:47 From Charu to Everyone:
Bye all ~ great conversation as always!
19:51:53 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
any tips to get any free pizza?
19:51:56 From Umut to Everyone:
Bye all
19:51:58 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
Wish I could have been on time but thanks forgoig late!
19:51:58 From Smitkumar Bhatesara to Everyone:
thanks all 💖
19:52:02 From Umut to Everyone:
Thanxx
19:52:03 From Tardy Brian From Canada to Everyone:
<3
19:52:07 From Odilia Coi to Everyone:
thanks all!
19:52:13 From apostolos kalogiros to Everyone:
bye from greece!!
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