MKAI AI Technical Forum March 2021: Trust in the age of AI – Part 3: AI For Smarter Energy Management

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16:39:24 From Alpesh Doshi to Everyone : Hello everyone, I’m new to this community and happy to be here. My LinkedIn is https://www.linkedin.com/in/alpeshdoshi
16:39:48 From Alpesh Doshi to Everyone : We work in the area of Energy, Sustainability and Data Platforms and Data Science.
16:41:12 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : I would love to hear the case Story!
17:04:54 From Jitendra Shakya to Everyone : Hi Ritula thanks for sharing your view How are we using this data to build some custom application?
17:05:39 From Sudipto Poddar (Typhoon HIL) to Everyone : Thank you Dr. Ritula maam for the insights regarding Big data Analysis
17:06:45 From Adrian to Everyone : When you started the presentation, were you talking about the grid in India?
17:07:19 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : Thanks for the presentation. Are you running Programmes on cyber attack detection with AI too?
17:07:39 From Errol Finkelstein to Everyone : How widely deployed are the techniques overviewed today?
17:08:25 From Jitendra Shakya to Everyone : Are you working only on US data or is it for India data also?
17:08:41 From Likhitha pulluru to Everyone : Are there any limitations of smart grids to consider?
17:08:42 From Richard Foster-Fletcher to Everyone : ritula.thakur@gmail.com
17:09:58 From Chris Claxton to Everyone : smart grids provide a massively increased attack surface
17:10:27 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : r u using 5G?
17:10:30 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : @Chris, That’s What we’re working on mainly…
17:10:56 From Chris Claxton to Everyone : there would be so many more ways to bring a grid down
17:11:09 From Chris Claxton to Everyone : seems very risky
17:12:40 From Amandeep Sharma to Everyone : Thanks a lot for such a nice presentation….@Dr. Ritula Thakur…….. Mam whether data storage is a bigger problem or data analytics… in big data analytics….
17:12:48 From Murele to Everyone : I will appreciate your email address as I’m interested in the training on Cyber-security, thank you.
17:16:26 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : I would be interested in your thoughts on grid-scale energy storage required to cope with intermittent renewables. Also how to improve stability and black start, with the reduction of physical inertia within grids.
17:22:33 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : As already commented by others, cyber security is a potential huge threat to Smart Grids. I have heard of major issues with critical infrastructure like dams to ensure that they are safe (and fail safe) when connection, maintenance, power, training, operators, etc. cannot be guaranteed in remote locations, war zones, etc. So I think there need to be very low technology fall backs rather than always moving forward with AI, Smart, Data based, etc. applications.
17:24:29 From Richard Boocock to Everyone : I would be interested in the panels view of the ultimate delivery of many of the benefits of smart grids through changing behaviour of consumers. To what extent is the AI/ML work being linked to social studies/human behaviour studies to develop a more holistic implementation plan?
17:25:49 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : I believe AI can be used in a number of ways – to detect surplus energy that can be integrated into existing grids, to help inform planning to find optimum locations for decentralised hubs, and to suggest potential connections between decentralised grids that could aid the system
17:25:53 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : I totally agree with Henry Kafeman. If you see how vulnerable countries get even with not smart grids (e.g. Ukraine Blackout in 2017) where electricity systems were hacked by Russia (was discussed to be an act of war). Especially when the Operational Technology now connected was not developed to be hardened against cyber attacks
17:26:30 From Gerry Copitch to Everyone : +1
17:28:01 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : Adding to the last Question: Will it be yet again a paradigm change with smart cities, where society and behaviour will be ultimately connected with AI
17:29:30 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : How do you make sure that the big data you are collecting is Good data? do you use supervised methods for you models?
17:29:39 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : The data also needs to be made available at early design stage of developments, it should be informing how we design our cities
17:30:46 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : AMS and Microsoft are offering diffrent kind of smart grid solution/IoT Solutions and they promise security and for Data collection that we dont undr
17:32:16 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : AMS and Microsoft are offering diffrent kind of smart grid solution/IoT Solutions and they promise security and for Data collection that we dont understand or understand can we Neo4J. R u guys fimiliar of those services or is it better to built everything from the ground?
17:32:31 From Jitendra Shakya to Everyone : Is there any way in near future that we create some product which can help consumer proactively instead of giving them suggestion on do this or that?
17:34:10 From Amandeep Sharma to Everyone : For smart grid ….. should we move towards dc transmission as compared to ac transmission?? As most devices like electric cars, fuel cells and solar power is all dc….. ??
17:34:15 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : Jitendra – A very interesting point. The UK Smart Grid rollout was predicated on changing consumer behaviour by showing them their usage. I think that is completely flawed as at best they will loose interest after a few weeks and the efficiency/adjustments need to be automated.
17:35:05 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : There’s a really interesting US company working on AC DC, to make the transition more efficient, ADC energy
17:35:50 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : How do you solve storage issues?
17:37:31 From Jitendra Shakya to Everyone : Thanks @Henry I am from UK I see that in my energy app 🙂 but I think it should solve my problem automatically as Ritula said
17:40:55 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : Regarding storage – I think for grid-scale batteries have their place, but have major issues (sustainability, scale, etc.). Other technologies like pumped hydro, compressed air energy storage are required and can also assist the inertia, etc.
17:43:42 From Henry Kafeman to Giancarlo Marzano(Direct Message) : Yes, I think so.
17:43:42 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : Thanks Sergio for taking up my question. It’s very much a relief to hear that, because we’ve made very bad experiences with using “wild” data in language processing, e.g. racist and mysogynist Chat bots etc. 😉
17:44:10 From Amandeep Sharma to Everyone : Can we go for dual transmission…?
17:44:32 From Giancarlo Marzano to Henry Kafeman(Direct Message) : I see your point, I also believe that due to very quick response time of Li-Ion BESS, they can provide digital inertia and this is a great example of how the reliability of supply can be increased
17:44:42 From Amandeep Sharma to Everyone : ac and dc
17:44:56 From Callum Richards to Everyone : do any of the panel have experience applying the principles of graph theory to model power networks? It’s taking off in the water utilities sector to map out events occurring in the water network , and it might be a brilliant theoretical tool for power systems as well
17:44:57 From Richard Boocock to Everyone : I recall DC transmission is only viable over short distances due to unacceptable losses over long distances
17:45:19 From Richard Boocock to Everyone : UK/France has a DC connector – about 60km
17:46:15 From Sergio Z. Perilla to Everyone : Unless you go to very high voltages in DC (HVDC), where it is actually cheaper and more convenient than AC!
17:48:14 From Richard Boocock to Everyone : how high is very high for DC? I get nervous with anything over 24V DC!!
17:48:52 From Alberte Bouso to Everyone : HVDC is not only useful for large distances, but also to interconnect non-synchronous areas (eg. Nordics and continental Europe), underground cables (eg. to connect offshore wind farms > 50 km)
17:49:57 From Alberte Bouso to Everyone : In China and Russia there upcoming cables of around ~ 1000 kV
17:50:09 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : Richard Boocock – Wikipedia says the UK/France connector os 270kV 45 miles and 2GW.
17:50:26 From delphine nyaboke to Everyone : HVDC is cheaper to operate than AC albeit its’s capex is pretty high on the start. in Kenya, we’re trying to join the East Africa power block, and eventually an Africa power block. therefore this necessitates interconnections; and HVDC is cheaper in the long run; plus it uses fewer cables
17:51:26 From delphine nyaboke to Everyone : HVDC is made possible by FACTS technology e.g STATCOM.
17:51:49 From Richard Boocock to Everyone : Yes, we have run off the UK France connector for many years. I suspect legacy infrastructure replacement will be a challenge for some countries, whereas greenfield countries will not have that legacy
17:53:26 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : Where is the optimum location for energy storage, ground? Roofs? Below ground? Or does it not matter?
17:54:08 From ammar khatab to Everyone : is there any commercialy viable vehicle to grid or vehicle to home solutions?
17:54:16 From diana contreras to Everyone : thanks to all the panelists for sharing their insights! hi Rosana 17:54:32 From Likhitha pulluru to Everyone : Is it feasible is to implement smart grid solutions on a subset of systems or it is a collective effort where every system involved should adopt to this change
17:56:36 From Parit Mehta to Everyone : Question for Dr. Gomes, where do you think adoption of AI-based solutions is more viable, on the customer/front end or at power production facilities?
17:57:06 From Adrian to Everyone : Yes, my local Nissan dealer manager charges his car at work for free and then downloads the power at night. I think he needs a specialist charger as I know that mine, which is pretty good is not able to do it. I think Octopus here in the UK is starting to offer this service. I do not know whether doing this does any damage to the car battery.
17:58:49 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : Ammar – Yes I believe there are several such as Tesla Powerwall, Powervault, Moixa, etc.
17:58:57 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : Yes I use my own cable for my Nissan, it charges in half of the time and costs a lot less than the charging point cables!
17:59:38 From Maz to Everyone : Adrian – yes there are a few V2G trials in the UK atm – OVO energy did one too. All using Nissan Leaf with a special V2G DC charger
17:59:52 From delphine nyaboke to Everyone : @Alexandra, how many units does your Nissan take per month? am trying to see something.
18:00:44 From Maz to Everyone : V2G is not yet implemented in the CCS standard or AC but that’s coming soon!
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18:01:41 From Amandeep Sharma to Everyone : what could be done to safe-guard the grid from cyber attacks…. whether an integrated or distributed architecture should be used
18:02:16 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : @Delphine, I don’t use it much at the moment, since I bought it just before lockdown, but I’ll look into it and update you
18:02:43 From delphine nyaboke to Everyone : @Alexandra, cool.
18:03:51 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : Thanks for your response, Giancarlo, I’ll start thinking about this in design more!
18:04:16 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : We r solving one big problem but we r forgetting that we are creating a big problem too, what are we going to do with all the PVs?
18:04:26 From Gargya Gokhale to Everyone : @Amandeep, one opinion mentioned earlier in the chat regarding cyber-attacks was to actually fall back on low tech back-up controllers that can perform some kind sanity check on the action/decision taken by the smart controller.
18:09:53 From Alexandra Groszek to Everyone : We need find ways to integrate renewables and smart devices into circular economy too..
18:10:59 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : Big thanx to all the panelists for sharing their insights <3. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dean-svahnalam-519b6189/
18:13:40 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : GDPR is just a start and we all need to work hard to make us understand and implement Data-Ethics.
18:15:12 From Maz to Everyone : Very good point Rosana! Here’s an article on this aspect that can be underlooked https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/06/06/239031/training-a-single-ai-model-can-emit-as-much-carbon-as-five-cars-in-their-lifetimes/
18:15:58 From Dean Svahnalam – AiBC to Everyone : Smart cities requires smart people, is that mean that it is ok to force civilian share their data? Very hard balance between evolving towards industrial revolution 4.0 and privacy.
18:16:28 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : Great point Rosana – The major issues with plastic waste, etc. were not foreseen as the huge scaling across the usage of the world’s population was not on the radar originally….!
18:18:23 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : Very true Dean, as well as Henry! That’s why I’m always raising the slighly incovienent comment to please consider Cyber Security by design and not solving this issue after developing complex structures 🙂
18:19:53 From Henry Kafeman to Everyone : A great wide ranging discussion – Thanks to all.
18:20:17 From Swantje Westpfahl – ISS to Everyone : Thanks for this really thought provoking discussion! So finally I will take Richard up on his word and do a little advertisement on my own behalf: The Institute for Security and Safety provides Cyber security assessments on IT and OT Networks (including pentesting) and also on the IT Security and ISMS Management.
18:20:19 From Maz to Everyone : Thank you all. It’s my first time joining this type of event. As a student of AI at King’s, MK resident and EV driver this event has been fantastic!! Thank you :).
18:22:22 From Deborah Power to Everyone : so very interesting and informative – Learning more and more of the big picture of AI – Amazing