MKAI Inclusive AI Forum June 2021: AI in 2030

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17:12:57 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Hello from “Ai in Africa”, if you are interested in collaborating in bridging the divide in empowering the youth in Africa for a more inclusive future with AI  by  2030 , please   reach out https://www.linkedin.com/in/mustaphazaouini/

17:13:00 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : On the other hand, I think we need to keep in mind the important distinction between actual progress, and marketing.

17:13:15 From  Ahmadu Sulaiman Rufai  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahmadu-sulaiman-rufai-a41341203

17:13:32 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Am feeling a bit old now: I’ve warned about “black box” & Model risks and the resulting opacity in my book in 2011 (although focussed on those risks in Financial Services, not Ai- specific).

17:15:16 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Don’t worry, Markus – I’ve been teaching about the hit-and-miss nature of data-driven AI since 1994 at least!

17:15:25 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Alex – That’s an important point. That’s why we should support projects that seek to measure the progress of AI in objective ways. Such as the AI Index report from Stanford https://hai.stanford.edu/research/ai-index-2021

17:15:32 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrycopitch/

17:16:31 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Agree with David – once “humanity” is wiped out, it’ll be rather difficult to rebuild global populations…

17:17:08 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : There are the AI winters also!

17:17:16 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkrebsz/

17:17:56 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : co-petition (cooperation + competition)

17:18:03 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Also, please visit & follow: http://www.human-ai.institute/

17:18:26 From  Pranil  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/pranil-shinde

17:18:34 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thanks @Alex, you made me feel rather young now!

17:18:49 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : David, there is an argument that we should develop AGI as soon as possible, because the earlier it appears, the slower the hardware will be and therefore we will have the most time in which to react to how it evolves towards ASI. I generally agree with this argument but am open to being dissuaded. Where do you stand on this proposal?

17:19:21 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thinking of some “Ai Black Swans” now…

17:19:45 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : I think that is not a sure thing that AGI will come to happen

17:19:50 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Great session / talk – thank you @david!

17:19:56 From  H.E. Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols  to  Everyone : Great start!

17:20:03 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Amazing insights on the future Thanks David.

17:20:28 From  Alannah  to  Everyone : Thankyou David 🙂

17:20:32 From  Elena Kozhemyakina  to  Everyone : David will you be sharing these slides with attendees please?

17:20:33 From  Lucky  to  Everyone : Great insights shared

17:20:35 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Thanks for the insights .

17:20:35 From  Carsten Holstein  to  Everyone : Thank You David

17:20:43 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Thank you David, very thought provoking

17:20:57 From  Lucky  to  Everyone : Thank you David

17:21:00 From  Chinmoy Baruah  to  Everyone : Great to hear

17:21:06 From  Odilia Coi  to  Everyone : Thank you David and congratulations for your book!

17:21:09 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Thanks a lot David for the opening remarks

17:21:12 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Great presentation!

17:21:33 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Renato – There may be some “local” AI winters in the future, concerning particular approaches to AI which turn out to deliver less than expected, but the field as a whole is creating so much value that an entire brake is very unlikely in my opinion

17:21:38 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Excellent – and exceptionally insightful David. Thank you so much for sharing. Fantastic presentation!

17:21:55 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Back on Zoom. Hope this is the right place…

17:22:07 From  Piyush Sharma  to  Everyone : Piyush from India -a post grad fellow in AI? ML and a humane/ inclusive tech advocate. Happy to connect with you all.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/piyushsharmanith/

17:22:09 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : Details of my book “Vital Foresight” as just mentioned: https://transpolitica.org/projects/vital-foresight/

17:22:18 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : In financial services, we always warn about not using past experience (=data) to predict future performance!

17:22:35 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @David Agree! But decreasing martingal returns are possible! We already had 2 AI Winters.

17:23:06 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : decreasing marginal returns*

17:23:16 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : MK is the next SF – we have the fog, we have guided buses, and there are t least 2 artificial hills! 🙂

17:23:18 From  Errol Finkelstein  to  Everyone : Fantastic broad approach David, thank you. It frames the question, and questions of where other disciplines will be in 2030 too.

17:23:34 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : A separate recording of my presentation is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkar8b-L_10

17:24:01 From  Odilia Coi  to  Everyone : Thank you for sharing  this David!

17:24:47 From  Karen Silverman  to  Everyone : Who else is in SF? Let’s gather for a drink and take a photo for the MK crew!

17:25:15 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Welcome @Karen Silverman! Great to see you here.

17:25:29 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : Same time zone, different latitude 🙂

17:26:02 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Karen S, Valerie and Kay and, if I hit SF, I’ll be there too!

17:26:50 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : what do you all believe will be the contribution of AI distributed analytics  to meeting the Paris CO2 emissions target? (“Distributed” is the key term in the question)

17:27:11 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : “not evenly distributed”  !

17:27:32 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Peter – re “there is an argument that we should develop AGI as soon as possible there is an argument that we should develop AGI as soon as possible, because the earlier it appears, the slower the hardware will be and therefore we will have the most time in which to react to” – but it may be the case that today’s hardware (cloud etc) is ALREADY strong enough for new AI algorithms to cause huge problems. So we need to prioritise the AI safety issues, rather than getting AGI earlier

17:27:36 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : WhT impact did. Konrad zuse have on roboticsz. He lived in the same village as me

17:27:48 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : To make it easy to connect with each other, we’ve created a special LinkedIn post with the speaker tags. Please comment hello on the post to let others know that you would like to connect:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6813858329413107713

17:28:08 From  hesam  to  Everyone : yes and THOR had a smart hammer!

17:28:32 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Equal distribution of assets has not worked out well for education, food, medicine, and even low tech applications today. Look at the issues around fair distriution of Covid vaccine – despite the social and economic drivers for global availibility. Why would AI suddenly be distributed more fairly?

17:29:08 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : Good point @Alex Monaghan (sadly)…

17:29:26 From  Karen Silverman  to  Everyone : Great! Feel free to reach out and I can help coordinate Karen.silverman@cantellusgroup.com 17:29:39 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : AI may well meet the Paris targets if it doesn’t consume more carbon than it saves in the process. But I’m not sure that the Paris targets will be enough.

17:29:56 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : A fantastic historical and philosophical and global perspective – of AI – to help us understand what has happened in the past to help us  understand what AI will be like in 2030! Great talk @Valerie

17:30:20 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : I agree @Vibhav Mithal what do you propose?

17:31:12 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Agree Vibhav. So on point.

17:31:31 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : Perfect content by Valerie Morignat!!! will there by Q&A?

17:31:33 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Georgio – I think 2030 has multiple facets – (a) Ethical AI – Will that be for stakeholders and not shareholders; (b) Will protection of personal data be a global norm? (c) Will there be regulation for AI – hard law as opposed to soft law;

17:32:26 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Georgio – You are more than free to ask questions.

17:32:27 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Karen Silverman…I have 2 jabs and the UK Give MAY be soon letting us “two-jabs” fly anywhere on the UK’s green or amber lists….so, who knows?!

17:32:32 From  sara  to  Everyone : Hello everyone! Had trouble logging in but very happy to be here! Really looking forward to today!

17:32:34 From  Enzo Ferrari  to  Everyone : Hi everyone!

17:32:35 From  Enzo Ferrari  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/enzo-ferrari/

17:32:51 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : @Vibhav – that’s my point on “distributed” benefit of AI application…

17:33:00 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Govt, not Givt!

17:33:14 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/renatosantanna (There is my newsletter that people may find interesting!)

17:33:34 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : We are losing the distinction between data and digitised data. There has always been huge amounts of data – it just wasn;t digitised. The big problem for AI today is that much of the digitised data is not available in an accurate, labelled form. This leasd to a lot of the biases and other issues in AI.

17:34:02 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : There are may types of data, I call them voluntary and involuntary data

17:34:14 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : digital footprint

17:34:17 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : or digital trails

17:34:24 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Georgios – I agree. Distributed benefit is important! A global conversation – for local application.

17:34:30 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : What’s significant about additional hardware being applied to improve AI isn’t just a matter of quantity. The new types of chips that are being created are likely to introduce new disruptions. Hence we are going from CPUs to GPUs to TPUs and IPUs and may soon see additional breakthroughs from algorithms running on QPUs

17:35:07 From  Lucky  to  Everyone : Hi everyone, happy to meet you all. Kiine5580@gmail.com – for all a global paralegal services provider( UAE, USA &UK)

17:35:12 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Are these investments into AI in the field of impact investment, say towards attainment of SDGs, or for purely commercially marketable products? I would be surprised if they are for the former.

17:35:36 From  Lucky  to  Everyone : Hi everyone, happy to meet you all. Kiine5580@gmail.com – for all global paralegal services provider( UAE, USA &UK)

17:36:01 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : How can u integrate mindfulness and ai

17:36:09 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Looking forward to Richard’s Ai bot transcribing this session! So many nuggets here!

17:36:42 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Interesting that we are listening to such an optimistic view of what AI can do and how it will improve, but watching a video where the software can’t even identify the outline of a black figure as it moves slight;y and slowly. How smart is that?

17:36:56 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : Can AI take on compassion

17:37:08 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Thank you @David Wood for the point of computing and how that may bring disruptions.

17:37:14 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : @Alex, valid point – I often think that with many things as of late

17:37:19 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : (“Ai” things)

17:37:27 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Alex – Two approaches to the problem you mention of data that is inaccurately labelled (which can result in mis-trained neural networks):

1.) One AI generates lots of synthetic data and accurately labels it, before passing it to the neural network;

2.) One AI specialises in fixing the mislabelling, before (again) handing the data over to another algorithm.

17:37:29 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : @Hanno through education  of human centered design  of AI  as early as possible .

17:37:38 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Here’s the LinkedIn URL again to let this community know that you are open to connect: 

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mkai_ai-futureofai-aiethics-activity-6813858329413107713-CEXV

Just say hello in a comment to connect with likeminded people 

All speakers are there to follow/connect too

17:37:42 From  Piyush Sharma  to  Everyone : AI can play a huge role in solving some of the long-troubling questions related to multiple types of disabilities and the related challenges.

17:38:23 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : Integration of Ai into neurodiversity

17:38:25 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : @Hanno it can already fake compassion in some contexts. We will more and more be forced to decide where the boundaries are.

17:38:42 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : Compassion cannot be faked

17:39:15 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I see Ai a bit like nuclear power: very useful / power and/or very destructive a the same time.

That means humanity as users of it needs to be mindful of both the risks and rewards.

17:39:23 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Who owns intelligence?

17:39:32 From  Georgios Raikos  to  Everyone : People can judge ethics. Turing machines can’t? Or will they? (see bicentennial man movie…)

17:39:39 From  Karen Silverman  to  Everyone : Agreed @Markus!

17:39:42 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Hearing yesterday on the APPG session from Prof Virginia Dignum , that all data is synthetic (human created and thus riddled with bias) and what is required is diligence at the research and development stages of the algorithms to prevent “bad” AI and “bad” AI use, was perhaps the crux and the starting point…? Engineers, she said, cannot, by training, achieve this when acting within their present (today) remits.

17:39:44 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : @Markus – I second you!

17:39:48 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : @Piyush yes it can, it already can – students are building home-made AI which does this – but there is no commercial drive to do this. No financial return, and no way of funding AI through social return as yet.

17:39:49 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : AI and SDGs – is a good intersection to explore. Thanks @Sonika. 

@ Piyush – AI has a lot of potential for disabilities. We will have to look at ethical aspects as well.

17:39:50 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Hanno re “Can AI take on compassion” – take a look at the field of Affective Computing. An excellent book on this is “Girl Decoded”, the autobiography of Rana el Kaliouby, co-founder of Affectiva

17:39:51 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : Intelligence has no owner in the future

17:40:04 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : It is a all human project

17:40:25 From  Karen Silverman  to  Everyone : And KRea and anyone with 2 jabs is welcome to join us 🙂

17:40:51 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : As a (optimistic) risk guy, I am focussed on the risks – and try to remediate them and/or turn them into upside risks (= opportunities). BUT, it does require human common sense, which isn’t that common!

17:41:07 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Once I suggested a Genova convention to avoid weaponization of AI in Quora!

17:41:35 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Markus –  The word ‘tangible equity’, spoken of by Valerie is a great way to address your concern. Your point is a very valid one.

17:42:18 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am trying to develop a UN HR Ai convention – or at least a recommendation at UN level aimed both at 1) the 3 laws of Ai / Robotics and 2) Humans ethically deploying #1

17:42:39 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : I think misuse of AI by government is far worse than the misuse by companies – the latter can be regulated. Checking misuse by the sovereign poses a real risk, especially when the government is a powerful one.

17:42:50 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : the problem is to not let a automated machine decides without a  human in the decision loop regarding Human lifes and and situations where risks are involved

17:42:50 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Natural language processing through ML is already failing to progress. There is just no intelligence, no understanding, in this approach – and NLP can’t progress without these.

17:42:57 From  Shreya Gupta  to  Everyone : @Markus that sounds awesome because it is very needed

17:43:56 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Sonika – Today’s corporations are (just about) still under the control of national governments. But as corporations gain more power, they can become able to ignore requests from politician

17:44:33 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : about 50% of the futurist predictions fail to come to happen

17:44:43 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : I predict another plateau – a dip – when people realise that ML is just big data and statistics, maybe there will be some disasters or not, but accuracy and explainability and flexibility will plateau.

17:44:47 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : @renatosantanna Humans in the loop propagate bias, no?

17:44:52 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I might sound like a broken record, but still think that “my” Universal Conduct risk paradigm – ratified by the UN in Nov 2017 – can contribute to this discussion: https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trade/wp6/documents/2017/GRMF2F/2017_02_22_1400_Krebsz_UCRP_-_Draft_version_22_Feb_2017.pdf

17:44:56 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : but they are a warning of possible futures

17:44:59 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Automation isn’t intelligent…..automation is repetitively performing the same task with the same outcome

17:45:03 From  Shreya Gupta  to  Everyone : @Alex I agree. As much as I like being optimistic and agree with Valerie we have all heard about AI Winters so can we be this optimistic?

17:45:17 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Valid point. Corporate heavyweights, espp the tech ones, are a powerful lobby! Thanks @David

17:45:59 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @karen rea the automation of AI automate cognitive Bias

17:46:30 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Alex – There may be a temporary setback, but ML already has a number of initiatives to address the issues you mention. For example Probabilistic Programming (the feature of the recent CogX talk by Prof Stuart Russell).

17:46:34 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : We saw this plateau effect during the pandemic – suddenly all the pre-pandemic data no longer predicted commerce, traffic, energy use and many pther things. But you can’t just collect 20 years of new data overnight – you have to wait 20 years – and we will never have such stable data again as we had before the pandemic. This is a game-changer for ML – and not in a good way!

17:46:36 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Hey @Jaisal, lovely to seeing you!

17:46:44 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Thank you, @karensilverman! See you by the bridge!

17:46:45 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : SHe

17:46:47 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : also a diverse group of Humans can analyse from different perspectives

17:46:55 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Jaisal is the time police 🙂

17:47:13 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Time police or time lord?

17:47:24 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Hehe

17:47:27 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : @richard she smiles while she does it though!

17:47:29 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : yes I am

17:47:37 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : She does indeed 🙂

17:47:52 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Valerie is an amazing speaker! Wow

17:48:15 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Yes, very much enjoying this!!!

17:48:27 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : @renatosantanna Groundhog Day?

17:48:38 From  Bruce Hoffman  to  Everyone : Yes, incredible.   So many concept.  I need a transcript

17:48:41 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Outstanding talk !!!

17:48:46 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Absolutely. Very thought-provoking talk! Enjoying every bit of it!

17:48:59 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Totally enjoyable as well as engaging session

17:49:00 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Valerie has gills….she doesn’t appear to take a breath!

17:49:05 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Karen Reaa what is Groundhog Day?

17:49:07 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Whoop whoop – I can stay all day long in bed (and the Ai bot will do all my work!) Cannot wait!!!

17:49:20 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Renato – Re “about 50% of the futurist predictions fail to come to happen” – that’s why it’s important to improve our skills in foresight 🙂

My book “Vital Foresight” looks at numerous examples of predictions that failed, and others which succeeded, to draw out lessons for better forecasting.

17:49:32 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : I work with foresight

17:49:33 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Very few Sci-Fi visions of the future have taken such an optimistic view of AI filtering our interactions – just saying!

17:49:38 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Growl Jaisal?

17:50:02 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Hindsight is also useful at times!

17:50:03 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : I’m also writing a Future of Work book

17:50:17 From  Hanno Eigenbrod  to  Everyone : My Amazon robot hoover always wants to kill my Apple HomePod minis. How can we prevent the infighting

17:50:53 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Haha! Wait til they have nano=weapons!

17:50:59 From  Piyush Sharma  to  Everyone : Really insightful talk @Valerie

17:51:05 From  Bruce Hoffman  to  Everyone : I want to create one of those medical devices

17:51:07 From  Shreya Gupta  to  Everyone : Valerie is really expressive using her hands and facial expressions. She has amazing speaking skills

17:51:15 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : There are lots of books on the future of work. In this crowded field, the one I pick as the very best is by Daniel Susskind, “A World Without Work: Technology, Automation, and How We Should Respond” https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51300408-a-world-without-work

17:51:23 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Yes wonderful speaker!

17:51:35 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am enjoying having no slides and listening to Valerie telling the story.

17:51:39 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : @renatosantanna It is a film where the hero (Bill Murray) is stuck in waking up each day to exactly the same set of events as the day before…a dystopian-type film really. Epitomises the “vicious cycle” or “circle”

17:51:56 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Do you have a tazer Jaisal???

17:52:01 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : Waiting for the day that charities like Smile and cataract removal no longer need massive private funding – but I’m not holding my breath!

17:52:02 From  kritika sharma  to  Everyone : Absolutely @Richard Forster So many great points to be noted !! Brilliant Session

17:52:26 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : If you haven’t watched/seen “Superhumans” yet, please watch it!!!

17:52:39 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : One Direction?! Something has definitely gone wrong 🙂

17:52:41 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : I believe that work will continue to be redefined with the evolution of AI, just as work has been redefined through history

17:53:19 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : My grandmother worked in a cotton mill in 1908 – I don’t think she would have envisioned a ‘social media influencer’ as a career…..

17:53:21 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I could listen 90mins to Valerie!

17:53:25 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : I know!

17:53:27 From  Errol Finkelstein  to  Everyone : This point of the AI effect on COST and PRICING is not to be under estimated. Radical reduction in the cost of healthcare, education, housing (think 3D printing), food production etc etc surely leads potentially to massive upliftment of all humans on this planet (and beyond). Free or near free healthcare, food, housing for all.

17:53:30 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Richard B – There’s a good case that “this time is different” – which Daniel Susskind explains well in his book that I mentioned earlier

17:53:32 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Me too!

17:53:39 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : I feel like we need another AI winter to stop and think how we go forwards….otherwise we are in an inertia that is difficult to redirect…

17:53:40 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : We don’t want her to stop talking 🙁

17:53:47 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Wonderful!!!

17:53:50 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : … and breathe!

17:53:51 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Excellent talk, Valerie!

17:53:52 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : so while what we call work today may be replaced in some form with AI, we will create new forms of work that cannot be covered with AI

17:53:55 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Breathless & breathtaking!

17:53:56 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Valerie is brilliant

17:53:58 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Excellent Valerie

17:54:06 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : OUTSTANDING TALK!

17:54:06 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Very good, thank you @Valerie

17:54:07 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : AMAZING !!

17:54:10 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : I think Valerie is the embodiment of the superiority of humans over robots. Bravo! Fantastic.

17:54:10 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : Thank you so much Valerie

17:54:14 From  Aleksandra Hadzic  to  Everyone : Thank you Valerie! This was breathtaking!

17:54:20 From  delphine nyaboke  to  Everyone : amazing presentation Doc.!!

17:54:21 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Awesome Valerie!

17:54:23 From  Alannah  to  Everyone : That was incredible thankyou Valerie, not a stutter and some incredible content!

17:54:23 From  Karen Silverman  to  Everyone : Fantastic!

17:54:27 From  Dr. Lovedays Egbedion  to  Everyone : Wow…. Valerie…. just too awesome. 

17:54:33 From  Tara McKeown  to  Everyone : That was phenomenal Valerie! Thank you!

17:54:34 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Amazing energy , thank you  @Valerie

17:54:41 From  Odilia Coi  to  Everyone : thank you for this talk Valerie, it was amazing!

17:54:41 From  sonika  to  Everyone : Thanks @valerie

17:54:53 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : THANK YOU SO MUCH

17:55:11 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Yes, see you all on the other side!

17:55:22 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Errol Agree with you regarding the AI effect of cost and pricing, it will lead to decreasing costs but also complex AI models have increasing costs to train due huge amount of data that is necessary

17:55:34 From  Alex Monaghan  to  Everyone : AI may indeed defeat death …

17:55:38 From  Bruce Hoffman  to  Everyone : Amazing talk Valerie

17:55:53 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk

17:55:58 From  Carsten Holstein  to  Everyone : Thank you Valerie

17:56:11 From  Amma Manso  to  Everyone : Thanks @Valerie! Great presentation!

17:56:21 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Here is the Telegram link – https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk – for anyone to join the Open Discussion Group – and continue the conversation –

17:56:29 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Please join us and continue  the conversation

17:57:07 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Amazing talk Valerie how insightful

17:57:23 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : A Genova Convention to avoid the proliferation of AI arms race I still think would be a good idea

17:57:31 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Mind boggling. How can we insure that the best of humanity is included in AI?

17:57:44 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Sharing a lovely snapshot of the session that all might like to remember. Also posted on the master link shared by Vibhav. Do join on telegram too. Thanks!

 

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tanmayagrawal_ai-artificialintelligence-futureofai-activity-6813869926760247296–T9a

17:57:53 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Ana Ensuring the right and good data

17:58:05 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : and Data governance

17:58:37 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Here is the MASTER LinkedIn Link for this event – https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6813858329413107713/ – Comment and Say hi here and connect to everyone in this event!

17:59:58 From  sara  to  Everyone : Great thank you Vibhav!

18:01:16 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Lovely seeing a fellow member from the UN!

18:01:17 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : @Markus lovely to seeing you too.

18:01:49 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Here is the Telegram link again for anyone who wants to join the AI conversation – https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk

18:04:09 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Pleas let me have your questions for Rose 🙂

18:04:39 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : my newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/vuca-world-insights-6742176168537022464/

18:06:00 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : Q for Rose: In which countries do you see the most encouraging examples of sharing among the whole population the benefits of AI and other tech? What can we learn from these examples?

18:06:03 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Some examples how AI can revolutionise the attainment of SDGs? Any SDG – alleviation of poverty, ensuring gender equality?

18:06:36 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : reduction of costs due greater efficiency

18:06:48 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Ai applications to improve mental health?

18:07:07 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Games are great for that

18:07:11 From  Jeff Quispe  to  Everyone : Greetings from Peru, this is a great event!

18:07:13 From  Jeff Quispe  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefferson-quispe-pinares/

18:07:17 From  Bruce Hoffman  to  Everyone : Yes Markus, I’ve see a few that want to improve mental health, but so many ethical concerns

18:07:19 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Can AI enable real-time carbon emission trading?

18:07:35 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : with blockchain attached may be

18:07:41 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : Rose, amazing insights….thank you so much

18:08:10 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am involved with a German / EU project on Ai / Neurotechnology looking at non-invasive brain stimulation (aimed at increasing mindfulness etc)

18:09:40 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Markus – Have you read the recent book by Tan Le, “The NeuroGeneration: The New Era in Brain Enhancement That Is Revolutionizing the Way We Think, Work, and Heal” https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53097856-the-neurogeneration

18:10:48 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : @David, I haven’t, but thank you for the tip – I shall add it to my (long) reading list. Greatly appreciated.

18:11:53 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Markus – I had about a dozen “OMG” reactions while reading Tan Le’s book. Her work seems very relevant to the project you describe.

18:11:56 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : That said, I’ve been experimenting with a few (non-invasive) devices incl. tCDS, Sensate and Oculus Go and am amazed how much these devices can influence / change brainwaves

18:12:09 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Great, will check it out!

18:12:45 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Agree @Carolina. Rose’s views on AI are very important – to understand the impact of AI at a global level.

18:14:14 From  Piyush Sharma  to  Everyone : @Rose, completely agree with you!

18:14:21 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Agree with Rose: Culture & resulting conduct (or the risk fo misconduct) is Very important!

18:15:57 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Here’s my recent presentation to the UN about Risk & Regulation of Ai: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhGBDIJvMhy7guM09UzkN6NYyE3gAw?e=VelRHH

18:16:27 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : OMG Rose…..totally! Anything I can do towards the realisation of a world where everyone has equal opportunities and equal rights  I am in! 🙂

18:17:09 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Rose – Re access to electricity: How do you assess the impact of solar power generators (either connected to national infrastructure, or operating locally)?

18:17:52 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : I agree AI has great potential for global south. Who do you feel is going to drive this change? Considering AI R&D must be expensive. Leading companies in developed parts of the word? Maybe as a CSR activity? Or the governments – political allies? Question from an AI-newbie!

18:22:34 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : AI enabled organizations (see an article I did about in Linkedin) are going to lead market niches

18:22:51 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Okay.

18:23:06 From  Harold Huggins  to  Everyone : What are examples of establishing a communications protocol of policy between federal and local municipalities?

18:23:51 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Sonika link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-enabled-organizations-renato-azevedo-sant-anna/

18:24:16 From  Errol Finkelstein  to  Everyone : Rose – in my humble African opinion – many Governments hold back from implementing obvious currently available AI – automation- online delivery systems to upgrade Citizen and Visitor Services as they find the tech intimidating … not popular to say but that is my experience. Almost all have feature phones with limited internet access (noting 2/3rds of Africans do not have internet access as we expect it).  When they open up to the new approaches progress is Rapid and Radically good. AI itself will find or has found solutions or partial solutions now to these challenges. But he desire and political will often holds progress back. Wjat thoughts Rose?

18:24:25 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : @Rose agreed access is key ,innovation from   the Global South  is available, but mindset change to empower is also an equalizer

18:24:49 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Very much enjoyed this, Rose – thank you!

18:25:29 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Positive deviants have been used to improve nutrition in the poorest of the poor, where are there those positive deviants in AI in the developing countries?

18:25:29 From  Errol Finkelstein  to  Everyone : Indeed Rose thank you, great voice for the needs to uplift broadly in a realistic manner.

18:25:39 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Thank you Rose for such a wonderful talk. The point of access – and AI – is one key point drive from your talk. Well captured @Jaisal. As always, your summaries are outstanding.

18:25:43 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Thanks, Rose.

18:25:56 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Thank you Rose  !

18:25:58 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Wonderful Rose, thank you!

18:26:19 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Thanks @Vibhav for your kind words. I know are tight on time

18:26:23 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : thank you Rose

18:27:17 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Rose is phenomenal.

18:27:52 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Thank Rose and Valerie, great talk. Access is so important!

18:27:55 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Amazing talk Rose how heart touching

18:28:16 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Great talk Rose!

18:28:46 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Lovely seeing Delphine here!

18:28:47 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Great videos MKAI Champions !!!

18:29:01 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : I love what Delphine said

18:29:09 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Thanks @RenatoSentanna

18:29:27 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : I think the concept of Society 5.0 is algo good to talk about!

18:30:42 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : An article about Society 5.0: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/look-future-work-so-called-society-50-renato-azevedo-sant-anna/

18:30:47 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : It’ll be nice know when one is talking to a bot (or real person)!

18:31:04 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Turing test?

18:31:35 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Transparency!

18:31:51 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : With GPT3 and similar algorithms it will be difficult to differntiate

18:32:41 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : With GPT 3 and similar algorithms it will be difficult to differentiate***

18:33:07 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Yes, imagine GPT4, 5, 6, 7…

18:33:23 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Wu Dao 2.0 how about  the trillions of parat

18:33:30 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : parameters*

18:33:39 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : You’re really, really spoiling us tonight, MKAI & @Richard!

18:34:33 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : yes, but it’s like Handall’ s law

18:35:30 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : exponential growth in parameters delivers marginal increase

18:35:38 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : after certain point

18:36:13 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Like something like this: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/pt-BR//pubs/archive/34400.pdf

18:36:36 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Amdahl’s Law

18:36:45 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : wrong spelling***

18:38:31 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Automation 

Health care

Legal Applications

Autonomous Vehicles

Stock markets

Smartphones

18:38:33 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Automated self-drive cars, legal decisions, politics, healthcare, retail.

18:38:35 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : AI embedded to Digital Marketing and Further Education

18:38:35 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : health

18:38:35 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : IoT, Websearch, Amazon and other marketplaces, Medicine, Learning tech, FinTech, SaaS/PaaS

18:38:35 From  Dr. Lovedays Egbedion  to  Everyone : Education

18:38:35 From  Tshitso Tamane  to  Everyone : Energy Sector and Health Care

18:38:37 From  Prasad Bhonde  to  Everyone : suggestions in the Amazon cart

18:38:37 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : manufacturing, financial services, healthcare, recruitment, customer service,

18:38:37 From  Carsten Holstein  to  Everyone : office automation

18:38:37 From  stacyagobian  to  Everyone : Predictive maintenance asset management 5g network optimization aviation safety with air traffic control, OCR ai for crime fighting predicting risk in insurance predicting propensity

18:38:42 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Bank, Telecom

18:38:46 From  PRADEEP Upadhyay  to  Everyone : insurance, healthcare, banking

18:38:57 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : FANGs

18:40:31 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : Inclusive innovation where regulations needs to be established

18:40:41 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Same reason why business should be responsible!

18:41:14 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : why not?

18:42:14 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : business should adopt an Data Governance Strategy in order to handle bias and noise in data, plus handling Consent Management from the user

18:42:31 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : unconscious biass

18:42:37 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : bias*

18:42:57 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Trust takes years to build – and seconds to destroy.

If your customers talk with their feet and you’re getting hit with regulatory fines, you would hopefully focus on building trustworthy businesses – and by extension trustworthy Ai.

Sadly, humans have not learned anything and make the same errors over and over again….

18:43:07 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : Great points

18:43:29 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Businesses can’t establish data governance strategies for their transactional data, so I would not hold out much hope of them being able to do it for datasets for AI

18:43:32 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : liability is definitely a challenge for new applications and their consequences

18:43:38 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Correct! It’s way the incentives of behavior are important!

18:43:58 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : it’s why***

18:44:08 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Renato re “exponential growth in parameters delivers marginal increase” – I’d be cautious about assuming a decrease in performance from an ongoing increase in the number of parameters in generative text systems such as GPT-3 and Wu Dao 2.0. The extent of the successes of these systems have been difficult to explain. Since we don’t really know what’s happening here, we cannot assume a reduction in performance any time soon.

18:44:09 From  stacyagobian  to  Everyone : Some businesses are governing their data very well

18:44:48 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Business govern their data well until they get caught

18:44:49 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @David, decreasing in the acceleration of % gain

18:45:17 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : it already happened in Deep Learning

18:45:49 From  Henry Kafeman  to  Everyone : Are we guilty of having unrealistic expectation/requirements of AI? Most humans are known to be not very good at understanding and weighing up risks. So if AI is considerably better than humans at avoiding harm, minimising bias, then is that good enough and how is that measured, agreed, communicated, etc.?

18:45:52 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Just see ImageNet dataset for image recognition

18:46:09 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I’ve recently asked Ai (more specifically, 4 different OpenAi engines) “what is artificial intelligence”. The results were surprising!

18:46:12 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Renato – Again, we don’t know for sure. Simple enhancements to the model could enable another big jump in performance (a bit like tweaking the tanh and ReLu functions)

18:46:22 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : The LinkedIn Master link – for the post to share your thoughts and connect with each other for this event – https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6813858329413107713/

18:46:33 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : levels of performance are difficult to enhance after some level without enhance too much the costs

18:46:39 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Good point @Henry – AI would never take out insurance at the car rental desk….

18:47:11 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : The Telegram – link – for you to join the AI conversation and continue the discussions – https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk

18:47:15 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Bias is inherently human. Pre-AI classification systems were already biased because their objectives were biased. Education, mindset shift, awareness will help fight algorithmic bias.

18:47:58 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Just see the Ghz in chips, we are stuck in the same Ghz since year 2000. The first chips of Terahertz are going to appear just now for Telecom ASICs

18:48:13 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @renato – Have you looked at the claims that are being made for the discipline of Probabilistic Programming for enabling neural networks to produce results much more efficiently?

18:48:40 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @David the point is there are physical limits

18:48:51 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Dear Timi, 

Would love to hear much from your statement about Regulation is a dual edged sward. I don’t see any substantial issues arising after there are Regulations for AI. Thanks

18:49:10 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Timi – is covering the legal landscape and the grey areas of AI regulation – very well.

18:49:19 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Fantastic talk!

18:49:21 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : one must balance Economics of improvement with tech development

18:49:32 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Would not pin my hopes on “regulation” and certainly not national regulation. 

For Ai, the core issues need to be addressed from the top to protect humanity (and human rights / life) – the UN is best placed for that (or so I hope).

18:49:50 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : @Vibhav Totally! Lots of food for thought!

18:50:31 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : regulation is indeed a 2-edged sword.  Legislation is almost always used to protect some stakeholder interest, often one with nationalistic undertones. Regulation will not solve these problems, it can be part of the solution

18:51:09 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Markus – But perhaps the different practical experiences of regulating AI at the national level will provide useful examples for global bodies like the UN to build on and extend

18:51:48 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : I discussed the issues of ownership for AI-created IP with law prof Ryan Abbott a couple of episodes ago on my podcast. (aiandyou.net). Amazing the ideas lawyers can come up with in that area.

18:51:53 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : I agree a governance framework is important, but I struggle with establishing a consistency of view of ‘rights’

18:52:01 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : @David, they certainly do – and if you look at my slide deck shared further up, I’ve referenced some of those. They will inform from a “thematics” perspective for sure.

18:52:17 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : nation states have very strong opinions on what rights they would like their citizens to have and not have….

18:52:19 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Regulation is necessary and important for the future of AI. It is an important part of the solution. Regulation will provide clarity in terms of how to approach issues – as AI evolves. There are nuances present in it.

18:52:43 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : Robert Glaser of Real Networks gave a wonderful talk at CogX last week about the vital role that regulation played in enabling and accelerating the motor car industry. He used this as an example to argue for intelligent regulation of face recognition technology

18:53:08 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : @Vibhav What regulation do you think would be (a) useful and (b) enforceable?

18:53:10 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am concerned about “fundamental rights” as per human rights convention. In the context of Ai, mostly about survival of humanity and not being injured by Ai, both physically and mentally.

18:53:21 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : But isn’t there still a huge variation in automobile standards around the world?

18:53:29 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Everything else needs to be done at national level

18:53:53 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : There is a huge variation of many standards around the world, yes absolutely

18:54:05 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Despite ISO etc

18:54:06 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Standards can become ubiquitous when there is a common motivation to comply

18:54:09 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : AI and IP – is an area – that fits within the larger debate of issues of AI and Law – It is tied to legal personality and where AI can get legal personality. it is also – connected to how far AI will evolve. @Peter Scott.

18:54:27 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Regs can become that motivation to comply

18:54:34 From  Prasad Bhonde  to  Everyone : Are there any means to control AI-enabled systems apart from the laws?

18:54:34 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : global standards have been adopted in areas where it promotes scale efficiencies and greater corporate profits

18:54:35 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : As can the desire for “survival”

18:54:43 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : An example of international regulations that have been at least partially useful: the monitoring of chemical weapons capabilities.

18:54:50 From  Carsten Holstein  to  Everyone : Thank You Timi

18:54:52 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thank you @Timi, love your passion about this topic!

18:55:06 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Yes, agree @David

18:55:16 From  Chinwe Odimegwu  to  Everyone : Thanks you Barr Timi 

18:55:16 From  delphine nyaboke  to  Everyone : this is just marvelous, marvelous Timi

18:55:22 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Fantastic talk @Timi !

18:55:22 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : I agree, partially successful, where regulation is part of the answer, but not the complete answer

18:55:26 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Thank you Timi!

18:55:42 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : Thank you Timi – many of your comments resonate strongly with me

18:56:02 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : @Timi  100% !  indeed how do we empower ourselves to be   creators and not just consumers of  AI

18:56:11 From  Odilia Coi  to  Everyone : Thank you so much Timi

18:56:28 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Thank you Timi! Great points!

18:56:40 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : Great talk Timi! Thank you!

18:56:44 From  Carolyn Fletcher  to  Everyone : Excellent summing up Jaisal. Thank you.

18:56:51 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : Consider also regulation of health and safety of the food production industry. As triggered by the book “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair

18:56:51 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Jaisal is an amazing moderator

18:56:54 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Well done @Jaisal time police!

18:57:00 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : thanks @Carolyn

18:57:11 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Valerie – Jaisal is the best! Yes. Agree.

18:57:14 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thank you @Vibhav for sharing the other MKAI channels

18:57:15 From  Odilia Coi  to  Everyone : @jaisal great moderator as usual!!

18:57:15 From  Debby Kruzic  to  Everyone : Thank you very much, everyone. So much food for thought

18:57:18 From  Prasad Bhonde  to  Everyone : thanks @timi

18:57:18 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thank you to all speakers!

18:57:25 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Thanks @Valerie it means a lot to me coming from you.

18:57:27 From  Timi Olagunju  to  Everyone : Thank you. Let’s connect on @timithelaw (Twitter) and LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/timi-olagunju-85534955

18:57:30 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : And thank you to @Richard

18:57:40 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Key issues raised, thank you Timi!

18:57:44 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Another wonderful ‘Family MKAI’ event! Huge THANKS everyone and especially to Jaisal and Richard.

18:57:45 From  Diego Cammarano  to  Everyone : Thank you everyone for your insightful presentations and for organising another great session. Have a nice weekend

18:58:00 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Great event!

18:58:13 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Trust is crucial. Great talk. Regulations have been skewed by those in power how can we ensure that does not happen so there can be equity?

18:58:35 From  Henry Kafeman  to  Everyone : @MKAI team – Wow lots packed in!

18:59:27 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Amazing event

18:59:44 From  Sonika Bajpeyee  to  Everyone : Excellent session. Particularly enjoyed Valerie’s talk!

18:59:46 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Ana I would say case by case is the way to tackle this issue!

19:00:05 From  Peter Scott  to  Everyone : Got to run – thank you everyone!!!

19:00:22 From  Piyush Sharma  to  Everyone : Thanks everyone!

19:00:30 From  Tanmay Agrawal  to  Everyone : Thanks everyone..

Stay connected. https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6813869926760247296/

19:00:34 From  Anita Jovic  to  Everyone : Hi all great event. Feel free to add me https://www.linkedin.com/in/anita-jovic/ 🙂 Thanks to Karen and Aleksandra for the invite.

19:00:51 From  Carolina  to  Everyone : Thank you so much everyone! Thank you MKAI!

19:00:53 From  Jitendra Shakya  to  Everyone : Thanks everyone it’s fantastic as always

19:00:54 From  David Wood  to  Everyone : @Ana – your question is key, “Regulations have been skewed by those in power how can we ensure that does not happen so there can be equity?” We could spend a long time answering that. In short, we need a powerful state, in order to steer and regulate powerful corporations. AND, vitally, we need a powerful society too – free press, independent courts, viable opposition parties, protected democracy etc – to steer and regulate the state.

19:01:04 From  Karen Beraldo  to  Everyone : Anita! Wonderful to see you here!

19:01:13 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am looking forward to your next Ai poem, @Ana!

19:01:28 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : The telegram link once again – https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk

19:01:54 From  Mustapha  to  Everyone : Great Insights , Great People , congrats MKAI  on the event !

19:02:33 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : We should get sponsored 🙂

19:03:04 From  valerie morignat  to  Everyone : Thank you everyone for the very nice messages. Feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn.

19:03:19 From  Dwight Nelson  to  Everyone : I’m way out in Trinidad.  🙂

19:03:23 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : Thank you @Valerie!

19:04:13 From  Juliet T. Eze  to  Everyone : Good to meet you all

19:05:22 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : Looking forward to hearing this part of the session.

19:06:03 From  Carsten Holstein  to  Everyone : http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/WSCHague.html

19:06:09 From  Neeraj Satpall  to  Everyone : I missed the earlier sessions due to some other commitments, it is indeed such a pleasure to be here for this one

19:07:34 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : Bye everyone!

19:08:11 From  Deborah Power  to  Everyone : I also missed the previous session but excited to be here.

19:08:21 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Welcome Deborah

19:08:37 From  Simon Pillinger  to  Everyone : https://amberhawk.typepad.com/files/uk-gdpr-adequacy-decision—june2021.pdf

19:08:44 From  Simon Pillinger  to  Everyone : leaked here

19:10:00 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkrebsz/

Also, please visit & follow: http://www.human-ai.institute/

19:10:37 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Thanks Simon

19:19:31 From  sara  to  Everyone : I’m going to have to leave, unfortunately.  Great forum and speakers! Thank you everyone. Looking forward to connecting with all of you more in depth.

19:19:41 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Thanks Sara

19:19:55 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : I am loving this session

19:20:24 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : Did you all see Sam Jones from Gener8 ads at the dragon dens?

19:20:43 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : They are doing an amazing job about Data Protection

19:20:50 From  Simon Pillinger  to  Everyone : Yes, Brave has been doing this for a wile.

19:20:50 From  Richard B  to  Everyone : I have another call to move on to. Another great session, look forward to keeping in touch and the next session

19:20:56 From  Henry Kafeman  to  Everyone : @Marie I agree. Can we not have a handful of standard settings ()e.g. for different types of organisations/data) that are used in all instances. It is simply not possible to read/understand and set all tick boxes which vary by each usage. I found web site that had literally hundreds of separate tick boxes for privacy settings with no way of setting “all off” only “all on” or “agree to set selections”!

19:21:25 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : There is also in LGPD the “legitimate interest”

19:22:13 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am a fan of Brave. I was somewhat disappointed reading this: http://ebin.city/%7Ewerwolf/posts/brave-is-shit/

19:22:17 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : start using Gener8 to control your Data

19:22:40 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : And yes, Gener8te at Dragon’s Dens was amazing!

19:23:08 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I am working with YamGo on improving this globally

19:23:35 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : https://yamgo.com/

19:24:10 From  Timi Olagunju  to  Everyone : Awesome conversation

19:24:56 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : I am loving this.  You are meeting all my expectations.

19:25:53 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : As German in the UK, very much agree with Marie. And yes, I’ve opted out of NHS Digital!!!

19:26:04 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : Would it be recorded? I would like to share this amazing conversation with my apprentices

19:26:46 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : I moved to NHS Digital a few months ago, I felt the same.

19:27:06 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Same when HMRC calls me “customer” – I am not, I have no choice. I am forced to using their “dis-service”!!!

19:27:36 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : And yes, Simon is very right. I am a second class citizen in the UK (as European). That is despite having “settled status”.

19:27:46 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : data sovereignty

19:27:55 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : at individual and country levels

19:28:15 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : “Slavery”?

19:28:20 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Excellent point Simon!

19:28:24 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Data enslavement?

19:28:50 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : your data is yours

19:29:04 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Apols, but am very cynical when it comes to the UK – too many battle scars!!!

19:29:27 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : Guinea pigs more or less

19:29:51 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Politicians very rarely read stuff.

They’re much better at “making stuff up”!

19:32:57 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : The model of Open Banking of handling data is interesting!

19:33:12 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : In Brazil we copy UK in that!

19:33:37 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Reusing and improvements is important

19:33:39 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : But that’s what’s going to happen, Carsten

19:35:06 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : (British) answer: “Computer says ‘No’!”

19:37:54 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Politicians very rarely read stuff.

They’re much better at “making stuff up”! #markuskrebsz Agree. The UK TV programme “Yes Minister” is still valid nowadays!

19:38:42 From  Juliet T. Eze  to  Everyone : It was nice connecting with you all.

19:38:44 From  Juliet T. Eze  to  Everyone : Thanks

19:38:48 From  Juliet T. Eze  to  Everyone : Bye

19:39:16 From  Neeraj Satpall  to  Everyone : Isn’t it important to establish a culture of data minimisation?

Is it really necessary for organisation to store a large amount of personal data for an extended period?

19:39:26 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Thanks @Karen – I painfully know: I’ve spent far too much time over the last >5 years on various initiatives / APPGs in UK Parliament.

19:42:32 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : If Politicians ‘don’t read things’ and ‘make stuff up’ does it not then follow that AI would ultimately make better decisions?

19:42:53 From  Ashik Ravindran  to  Everyone : Team, Its my first event with MKAI today. Really enjoying the positive energy and friendly atmosphere here. Looking forward for the upcoming MKAI sessions as well!

19:43:01 From  renatosantanna@gmail.com  to  Everyone : @Neeraj Agree, data minimisation is a good practice!

19:43:12 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Sorry but sometimes we cannot escape ticking I agree even for a piece of news.

19:44:27 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : @Ashik – Great to hear. If you want to continue the AI conversation – we have a Telegram chat. You can join, if you have not already,  – here –  https://t.me/joinchat/9_YAbNz6WQAyZWJk.

19:45:06 From  Ashik Ravindran  to  Everyone : Thanks, I have joined already

19:45:15 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : @Gerry, there’s a good chance that Ai would make better (informed) decisions than Ai, yes!

19:45:54 From  Henry Kafeman  to  Everyone : Sorry need to go now – Will listen in to recording of the rest of the discussions. Have a good evening all….

19:45:57 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Maybe we need some political RPA? (and retire politicians, quick!)

19:46:12 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Take care Henry

19:46:51 From  Neeraj Satpall  to  Everyone : That’s a good idea @Markus! It doesn’t even have to be Intelligent Automation? 19:47:00 From  Henry Kafeman  to  Everyone : @Richard thanks – I have saved the Chat up to now, but would appreciate anything else of interest that gets typed…

19:47:33 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : You are so @Richard. They cant read it.

19:47:39 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : right*

19:47:50 From  Vibhav Mithal  to  Everyone : This is a fantastic session – and listening to it again will help you learn more.

19:49:23 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : Yes, agree, very good – thank you everyone!

19:56:36 From  Neeraj Satpall  to  Everyone : The problem is a lot of companies have the mentality – Let’s store as much as possible, maybe we can use it one day!

19:57:01 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Facebook went to court to keep the data

19:58:47 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Climate change burden can not be put primarily on the shoulders on the consumer, in this same manner you can’t the burden in this issue to individual, the largest responsibility lies on those in power.

20:02:07 From  Markus Krebsz  to  Everyone : I have to drop – thank you very much everyone! Very good session, again. And @Richard, have a cool beer or two now!

20:02:39 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Thanks Markus

20:03:12 From  Gus Reyes  to  Everyone : what a session 

20:03:33 From  Neeraj Satpall  to  Everyone : Yet another stimulating session! Many thanks to all the speakers and participants 20:04:11 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Let’s get the summaries and we’ll bring this to a close

20:04:29 From  Richard Foster-Fletcher  to  Everyone : Very interesting and lively session. I’ve enjoyed hearing these speakers very much

20:04:30 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Maybe once more cases start appearing of incidences where collected data is abused people will start caring, I think it’s hard to predict consequences before incidents occur

20:04:42 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : data collection minimisation and ways to not recognise the individual is important

20:04:53 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Thanks for a great discussion.

20:05:10 From  Alexandra  to  Everyone : Thanks so much!

20:05:16 From  Audrey Ekuban  to  Everyone : Thanks. Very interesting.

20:05:19 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Thank you all. A fascinating set of talks and debates all for the last 4 to 5 hours!

20:05:34 From  Gerry Copitch  to  Everyone : Riveting discussion. Thanks. Best, Virtual Gerry 🙂

20:05:41 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Scary that they are wanting to do away with human oversight.

20:06:38 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : Thank you all speakers amazing and thought provoking what we want to do with our data to safegaaurd

20:09:48 From  karen rea  to  Everyone : Puck the Collie says thank you too!

20:10:57 From  Jaisal Surana  to  Everyone : thanks everyone. See you. Need to drop off. Amazing work @Vibhav and @Richard

20:11:06 From  Ana Montes  to  Everyone : Thank you for all the wonderful input!